"E. Zackatackali" wrote the following in:


If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would
you do?

15: I'd extend this to Canning Town. Why Blackwall station? It's a
bizarre place for the route to end with the only interchange being to
the DLR. If it continued a few minutes more to Canning Town then you'd
have interchange with loads of buses and trains, making it much easier
for people to continue their journey.

69: I'd like to introduce countdown for a few stops on this route, but
that's purely for selfish reasons. It'd make it much easier for me to
decide whether to catch the bus or walk to the station!

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"E. Zackatackali" wrote the following in:



If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would
you do?


15: I'd extend this to Canning Town. Why Blackwall station? It's a
bizarre place for the route to end with the only interchange being to
the DLR. If it continued a few minutes more to Canning Town then you'd
have interchange with loads of buses and trains, making it much easier
for people to continue their journey.

There will be a need for a service across the Lower Lea Crossing once
the new Leamouth footbridge is constructed. Extending the 15 would
probably be the ideal candidate for that; the only alternative seems to
be the 277 which goes off to serve Tower Hamlets Town Hall et al. After
the Crossing it could then head up to Canning Town; it's doubling back a
bit but not too much.


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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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There will be a need for a service across the Lower Lea
Crossing once the new Leamouth footbridge is constructed.

Why does builiding a new footbridge create a new bus demand?

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John Rowland wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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There will be a need for a service across the Lower Lea
Crossing once the new Leamouth footbridge is constructed.


Why does builiding a new footbridge create a new bus demand?

Because the footbridge links the Leamouth peninsula with the Lower Lea
Crossing (and ultimately with Canning Town station). It will be the
nearest main road to the peninsula which should see some regeneration
once the basic pedestrian links are in place. Currently the nearest bus
stops are the 277 at the far end of Saffron Avenue near East India or
the 115 from next to the Travelodge on East India Dock Road.

For anyone who's interested:
http://www.leamouthbridge.com
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/72

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"E. Zackatackali" wrote in message
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If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would you do?

There would be four changes I would make:

1. 35 - Shoreditch to Clapham Junction. I'd extend the Shoreditch end to
run
to Hackney Central and truncate the Clapham Junction at Brixton. So there
would now be a link between South London and Hackney.

2. 345 - Peckham to South Kensington. I'd reroute this at Brixton so that
it
runs along the route of the changed 35 to Clapham Junction

3. 197 - Norwood Junction - East Croydon. I can't see the point of such a
short route. I'd extend this to Thornton Heath.

4. 80 - Hackbridge to Belmont. This is one crazy route which meanders all
over the place - a shame, since Sutton seems to have very few links to
anywhere. I'd keep the section from Belmont to Sutton, then reroute the
rest
of the route via the route of the 407 up to Purley Way, then the route of
the 289 up to Thornton Heath, then the route of the 109 up to Streatham.


127 - extend North from Tooting Broadway to somewhere useful, probably
Earlsfield and Clapham Jct.

New route from South to SE London, providing access to key rail stations
without needing to go into London Bridge as at present.
Mitcham-Tooting-Streatham-Dulwich-Catford-Eltham-Woolwich. That would rock
like a *******, that route.

Make all routes cyclic, so that instead of running over the same route
repeatedly, they switch to a different one, eventually cycling through
several routes and getting back to where they started.

Buses would display their next route as well as their current route.

For passengers that would've wanted to change to the new route anyway, they
can just stay on the bus, and for those who don't, the system is no
different from how it is now.

You'd need to abandon strict timetabling, because it's ****ing ****.
Instead, buses should set out from their starting location for any given
route when the next bus on the same route reaches a given trigger point.
Passengers might be sitting on a stationary bus for a while, but they'd only
be waiting at the stop for the same bus anyway.

BTN

Make all routes cyclic, so that instead of running over the same route
repeatedly, they switch to a different one, eventually cycling through
several routes and getting back to where they started.

Buses would display their next route as well as their current route.

For passengers that would've wanted to change to the new route anyway,
they
can just stay on the bus, and for those who don't, the system is no
different from how it is now.

You'd need to abandon strict timetabling, because it's ****ing ****.
Instead, buses should set out from their starting location for any given
route when the next bus on the same route reaches a given trigger point.
Passengers might be sitting on a stationary bus for a while, but they'd
only
be waiting at the stop for the same bus anyway.

BTN



These are both excellent ideas. The first actually happens on several of
the First Bus operated routes between Huddersfield and Holmfirth (not London
I know but just as an example), although they don't display the next route.
Essentially, one vehicle might work from Huddersfield via A, B and C to
Holmfirth, then assume a different route number and return to Huddersfield
via D, E and F. Passengers who know how the routes work can travel from C
to D without changing at Holmfirth.


Andrew

"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote in message
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Make all routes cyclic, so that instead of running
over the same route repeatedly, they switch to a
different one, eventually cycling through several
routes and getting back to where they started.

And then an accident on a one-bus-route road would screw half a dozen bus
routes...

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If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would you do?

Introduce a direct Harrow to Ealing bus route, linking at least town
centre with town centre. Takes under 20 mins by car; but a very
awkward journey by bus/tube, taking up to an hour, with multiple
changes.


(Or, seeing as this is fantasy, extend the Greenford line to Harrow by
light rail, as someone suggested here recently... if only...)

"asdf" wrote in message
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Introduce a direct Harrow to Ealing bus route,
linking at least town centre with town centre.
Takes under 20 mins by car; but a very awkward
journey by bus/tube, taking up to an hour, with
multiple changes.

Why not interchange from the 182 to the 83 at Wembley Central?

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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
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A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Introduce a direct Harrow to Ealing bus route,
linking at least town centre with town centre.
Takes under 20 mins by car; but a very awkward
journey by bus/tube, taking up to an hour, with
multiple changes.

Why not interchange from the 182 to the 83 at Wembley Central?

Because it's an extremely unreliable route. The 182 and 83 are both
prone to delays and bunching; 20-30 mins total waiting for buses
occurs far too often.

It's not even the quickest way with theoretical average waiting times.
Try sticking Harrow-on-the-Hill to Ealing Broadway into the TfL
Journey Planner: it doesn't come up with that route, or indeed any
route with less than 2 changes.