Travelling in by car earlier this week on the M4 I pulled up next to a
freshly painted D stock on a trailer (I assume going to Ealing depot)

It was carriage 17002. From the outside, looks similar to the one they
redid a few years ago, red doors, white and blue trim. Two main things I
noticed the press or opens have been removed (well there were never turned
on anyway) and there are big disabled stickers on the end doors.

Also all the glass looks to be heavily tinted (I think they were anyway on
this stock) so I guess that is the poor man's Air Conditioning fitted


Regards



Leo

Leo Mindel wrote:
Travelling in by car earlier this week on the M4 I pulled up next to
a
freshly painted D stock on a trailer (I assume going to Ealing depot)

It was carriage 17002. From the outside, looks similar to the one
they
redid a few years ago, red doors, white and blue trim. Two main
things I
noticed the press or opens have been removed (well there were never
turned
on anyway) and there are big disabled stickers on the end doors.


If it was 17002 then isn't it the one they did re-do a few years ago?

wrote:
Leo Mindel wrote:
Travelling in by car earlier this week on the M4 I pulled up next
to a freshly painted D stock on a trailer (I assume going to
Ealing depot)

It was carriage 17002. From the outside, looks similar to the one
they redid a few years ago, red doors, white and blue trim. Two
main things I noticed the press or opens have been removed (well
there were never turned on anyway) and there are big disabled
stickers on the end doors.

If it was 17002 then isn't it the one they did re-do a few years
ago?

No, that was 17008. 17002 was in the old livery until it went to
Wakefield for refurbishment on 10 Dec 2004.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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Leo Mindel wrote:
Travelling in by car earlier this week on the M4 I pulled up next
to a freshly painted D stock on a trailer (I assume going to
Ealing depot)

It was carriage 17002. From the outside, looks similar to the one
they redid a few years ago, red doors, white and blue trim. Two
main things I noticed the press or opens have been removed (well
there were never turned on anyway) and there are big disabled
stickers on the end doors.

If it was 17002 then isn't it the one they did re-do a few years
ago?

No, that was 17008. 17002 was in the old livery until it went to
Wakefield for refurbishment on 10 Dec 2004.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Does that mean they are finally doing the whole stock ? If so is it similar
to what they did to 17008 ? Do we get Air Con

Regards


Leo

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Leo Mindel wrote:
Travelling in by car earlier this week on the M4 I pulled up next
to a freshly painted D stock on a trailer (I assume going to
Ealing depot)

It was carriage 17002. From the outside, looks similar to the one
they redid a few years ago, red doors, white and blue trim. Two
main things I noticed the press or opens have been removed (well
there were never turned on anyway) and there are big disabled
stickers on the end doors.

If it was 17002 then isn't it the one they did re-do a few years
ago?

No, that was 17008. 17002 was in the old livery until it went to
Wakefield for refurbishment on 10 Dec 2004.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Does that mean they are finally doing the whole stock ? If so is it
similar to what they did to 17008 ? Do we get Air Con

Regards


Leo

For pictures and more info go to:
www.trainweb.org/districtdave

"Leo Mindel" wrote in message
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Travelling in by car earlier this week on the M4 I pulled up next to a
freshly painted D stock on a trailer (I assume going to Ealing depot)

It was carriage 17002. From the outside, looks similar to the one they
redid a few years ago, red doors, white and blue trim. Two main things I
noticed the press or opens have been removed (well there were never turned
on anyway) and there are big disabled stickers on the end doors.


Do you mean the buttons to open the doors ? If I remember correctly these
were used during winter months, but during warmer months train operators
were instructed to open all doors at station stops to help with ventilation.

This is remembering from 3+ years ago when I was last in London, so things
may have changed since then..

Andrew.

Andrew wrote:

Do you mean the buttons to open the doors ? If I remember correctly
these
were used during winter months, but during warmer months train
operators
were instructed to open all doors at station stops to help with
ventilation.

This is remembering from 3+ years ago when I was last in London, so
things
may have changed since then..

Andrew.

The buttons don't seem to be used at all nowadays. At a normal stop
all the doors open and the button illuminates, at terminals this
happens then the door buttons go off.

Occasionally the drivers do something at the terminals which makes only
one door per carriage stay open, although I don't know what this is but
it keeps it nice and warm

--
Chris

wrote:
Andrew wrote:


Do you mean the buttons to open the doors ? If I remember correctly

these

were used during winter months, but during warmer months train

operators

were instructed to open all doors at station stops to help with

ventilation.

This is remembering from 3+ years ago when I was last in London, so

things

may have changed since then..

Andrew.


The buttons don't seem to be used at all nowadays.

And haven't been for about five years. I remember when I first came to
London (1997) the doors on D stock were passenger-operated in the winter
but always opened during the summer (as Andrew said). After a couple of
summers they just stayed on always-open all year round. I believe a
decision was taken that some pax were being confused by some trains
having doors with buttons that work and some that didn't. And some
trains with no buttons, of course.

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wrote:
Andrew wrote:


Do you mean the buttons to open the doors ? If I remember correctly

these

were used during winter months, but during warmer months train

operators

were instructed to open all doors at station stops to help with

ventilation.

This is remembering from 3+ years ago when I was last in London, so

things

may have changed since then..

Andrew.


The buttons don't seem to be used at all nowadays.

And haven't been for about five years. I remember when I first came to
London (1997) the doors on D stock were passenger-operated in the winter
but always opened during the summer (as Andrew said). After a couple of
summers they just stayed on always-open all year round. I believe a
decision was taken that some pax were being confused by some trains having
doors with buttons that work and some that didn't. And some trains with no
buttons, of course.

I think it may have also had something to do with Health and Safety.

I think it may have also had something to do with Health and Safety.

I know they're a bunch of simpering lettuces but surely even the HSE
can't think that
confused passengers is a health and safety issue??

B2003