http://tinyurl.com/3r9uz

Disappointingly for some, the opening of the tramstop at Centrale /
Tamworth Road has been delayed until the autumn. But I'm glad to see
that TfL and Tramtrack are following common sense with regards to the
new tram required - they're in discussions with Merseytravel to get the
new Croydon tram added on to the 21-tram Merseytravel order for the new
Liverpool network.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3r9uz

Disappointingly for some, the opening of the tramstop at Centrale /
Tamworth Road has been delayed until the autumn. But I'm glad to see
that TfL and Tramtrack are following common sense with regards to the

new tram required - they're in discussions with Merseytravel to get
the
new Croydon tram added on to the 21-tram Merseytravel order for the
new
Liverpool network.

Presumably since its only 1 tram it'll be identical to the trams
currently on the network?

B2003

Boltar wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/3r9uz

Disappointingly for some, the opening of the tramstop at Centrale /
Tamworth Road has been delayed until the autumn. But I'm glad to see
that TfL and Tramtrack are following common sense with regards to the
new tram required - they're in discussions with Merseytravel to get the
new Croydon tram added on to the 21-tram Merseytravel order for the new
Liverpool network.


Presumably since its only 1 tram it'll be identical to the trams
currently on the network?

It'll be identical to whatever tram set *Liverpool* is ordering...
they're being built be Bombardier who also built the Croydon trams, but
whether they'll look the same is yet to be seen.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Boltar wrote:

Presumably since its only 1 tram it'll be identical to the trams
currently on the network?

If it's being combined with the Liverpool order, I would say probably
not - the order will have to be put out to tender in the OJEC, and AIUI
the most they could specify is compatibility with the current fleet.
That's why Strasbourg couldn't just order more Eurotrams from
Bombardier - and in fact ended up ordering compatible (and visually
similar) Citadis from Alstom.

All rather confusing, really.

Rupert Candy wrote:
Boltar wrote:

Presumably since its only 1 tram it'll be identical to the trams
currently on the network?

If it's being combined with the Liverpool order, I would say probably
not - the order will have to be put out to tender in the OJEC, and
AIUI
the most they could specify is compatibility with the current fleet.
That's why Strasbourg couldn't just order more Eurotrams from
Bombardier - and in fact ended up ordering compatible (and visually
similar) Citadis from Alstom.

All rather confusing, really.

But whats the benefit in having one tram that may require different
maintenance and/or operating procedures to every other tram on the
system?

B2003

On 4 Apr 2005, Boltar wrote:

Rupert Candy wrote:
Boltar wrote:

Presumably since its only 1 tram it'll be identical to the trams
currently on the network?

If it's being combined with the Liverpool order, I would say probably
not - the order will have to be put out to tender in the OJEC, and
AIUI the most they could specify is compatibility with the current
fleet. That's why Strasbourg couldn't just order more Eurotrams from
Bombardier - and in fact ended up ordering compatible (and visually
similar) Citadis from Alstom.

All rather confusing, really.

But whats the benefit in having one tram that may require different
maintenance and/or operating procedures to every other tram on the
system?

The tram itself might be cheaper. Basically, if (capital saving) /
(lifetime of tram) is more than (additional annual operation cost), it's a
net win. If you can design a tram so that (additional annual operational
cost) is modest - say by using the same or similar control layout and
operating procedures - and manufacture it more cheaply than your rivals,
you're onto a winner. It's called the free market.

Mind you, it's never actually been seen to work in practice, but that's
another story.

tom

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