For prepay? Or with a Travelcard on? They're valid with a Travelcard that
covers the relevant zones on them, because it isn't necessary to touch
in/out unless there's a gate.

Aren't the pads also there to allow oyster season holders to resolve their
journey (and avoid being charged extra on pre-pay), had they continued on
WAGN for example. I have a two-zone Oyster and a season for NR from Finsbury
Park and always touch-out there or at Highbury for just this reason. I
assumed if I change there and didn't touch out it would cause me to be
flagged as a possible fare-dodger or purchaser of two short tickets, or
worse, deduct money from my pre-pay for a journey as far as zone 6.

Having said that the gripper the other morning was going through at Finsbury
Park and accepted my point to point season without query as we pulled out
towards Kings Cross.

Regards,
Dave

Dave Plumb wrote:
For prepay? Or with a Travelcard on? They're valid with a
Travelcard that
covers the relevant zones on them, because it isn't necessary to
touch
in/out unless there's a gate.

Aren't the pads also there to allow oyster season holders to resolve
their
journey (and avoid being charged extra on pre-pay), had they
continued on
WAGN for example.

If you have a season ticket it doesn't matter (at the moment). You
only get an unresolved journey if you start your journey outside the
boundary of any travelcard you have and don't end it. Or vice-versa

journey (and avoid being charged extra on pre-pay), had they
If you have a season ticket it doesn't matter (at the moment). You
only get an unresolved journey if you start your journey outside the
boundary of any travelcard you have and don't end it. Or vice-versa

Ahh ok so on my Z1-2 card if I get in Z3 and don't end it then it gets
confused? The other direction could be common though if you change to NR at
Finsbury Park and don't pad out then it won't know where you got out. That
was the scenario I assumed it would charge you a full journey to Z6 as a
fine for not padding out.

Someone at work has a Z1-4 season and travels in from Oakleigh Park,
changing at Finsbury Park/Highbury, and rarely touched in there or out on
her journey home. She said she never had a problem with it, so maybe it
doesn't fine you.

Regards,
Dave

"Dave Plumb" wrote in message
...
journey (and avoid being charged extra on pre-pay), had they
If you have a season ticket it doesn't matter (at the moment). You
only get an unresolved journey if you start your journey outside the
boundary of any travelcard you have and don't end it. Or vice-versa

Ahh ok so on my Z1-2 card if I get in Z3 and don't end it then it gets
confused? The other direction could be common though if you change to NR
at
Finsbury Park and don't pad out then it won't know where you got out. That
was the scenario I assumed it would charge you a full journey to Z6 as a
fine for not padding out.

Someone at work has a Z1-4 season and travels in from Oakleigh Park,
changing at Finsbury Park/Highbury, and rarely touched in there or out on
her journey home. She said she never had a problem with it, so maybe it
doesn't fine you.

As in the above text:

If you have a season ticket it doesn't matter (at the moment). You
only get an unresolved journey if you start your journey outside the
boundary of any travelcard you have and don't end it. Or vice-versa

So, if you have a Z1-4 season and only touch in / out in Z1&2 the ticket is
perfectly valid.

Robin Mayes wrote:
"Dave Plumb" wrote in message
...
Someone at work has a Z1-4 season and travels in from Oakleigh
Park,
changing at Finsbury Park/Highbury, and rarely touched in there or
out on
her journey home. She said she never had a problem with it, so
maybe it
doesn't fine you.

As in the above text:

If you have a season ticket it doesn't matter (at the moment). You
only get an unresolved journey if you start your journey outside the
boundary of any travelcard you have and don't end it. Or vice-versa

So, if you have a Z1-4 season and only touch in / out in Z1&2 the
ticket is
perfectly valid.

And that will have to be the case until *all* NR stations within zone 6
have oyster readers - otherwise I would have an unresolved journey
every day (touch in at Farringdon or London Bridge, can't touch out at
Herne Hill or Gipsy Hill as no oyster readers!) Since NR are totally
uninterested in Oyster, I can't see that happening any time soon.

Rupert Candy wrote:
Robin Mayes wrote:

"Dave Plumb" wrote in message
...

Someone at work has a Z1-4 season and travels in from Oakleigh

Park,

changing at Finsbury Park/Highbury, and rarely touched in there or

out on

her journey home. She said she never had a problem with it, so

maybe it

doesn't fine you.

As in the above text:

If you have a season ticket it doesn't matter (at the moment). You
only get an unresolved journey if you start your journey outside the
boundary of any travelcard you have and don't end it. Or vice-versa

So, if you have a Z1-4 season and only touch in / out in Z1&2 the

ticket is

perfectly valid.


And that will have to be the case until *all* NR stations within zone 6
have oyster readers - otherwise I would have an unresolved journey
every day (touch in at Farringdon or London Bridge, can't touch out at
Herne Hill or Gipsy Hill as no oyster readers!) Since NR are totally
uninterested in Oyster, I can't see that happening any time soon.

Soon they'll be forced to be interested - once the Railways Bill comes
into effect, TfL will have much more influence over railways within
London, particularly in the fares department - the Bill makes strong
allusions to the rollout of Oyster across the whole GLA area, and makes
a bit of a noise about fares integration too.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
Rupert Candy wrote:
And that will have to be the case until *all* NR stations within
zone 6
have oyster readers - otherwise I would have an unresolved journey
every day (touch in at Farringdon or London Bridge, can't touch out
at
Herne Hill or Gipsy Hill as no oyster readers!) Since NR are
totally
uninterested in Oyster, I can't see that happening any time soon.

Soon they'll be forced to be interested - once the Railways Bill
comes
into effect, TfL will have much more influence over railways within
London, particularly in the fares department - the Bill makes strong
allusions to the rollout of Oyster across the whole GLA area, and
makes
a bit of a noise about fares integration too.

Dave, you are an eternal fount of knowledge. That is very interesting
indeed - any idea of the timetable for the Bill?

Dave Arquati wrote:
a bit of a noise about fares integration too.

So do we lose the cheap £1.50 SWT cheap day returns in favour of
£4.40 TFL zonal returns then? What about YP railcards?