thoss wrote:

Incidentally and somewhat OT, I note from the Bartholomew Pocket
London Atlas 1939 that in the period 1937-9 Vaughan Road, Lambeth,
was renamed Southwell Road. I wonder why.

The present Southwell Road SE5 runs parallel to and south-east of
Coldharbour Lane, with five short streets linking them, one of which is
Vaughan Road. See map at http://tinyurl.com/bhptu . Are you saying
that before 1937 both the present Vaughan Road and the present Southwell
Road were both called Vaughan Road? If so, the change was probably to
avoid confusion.

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JRS: In article , dated Tue, 3
May 2005 00:35:49, seen in news:uk.transport.london, John Rowland
posted :
"Tony Wilson" a@a wrote in message
...

I have bought a few old A-Zs on eBay;

Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3
was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA.

Where's HA3? - sounds as if it should be in Yorkshire. Hackney?

In Bartholomew's Reference Atlas of Greater London, 11th Edn, 1961 :

Southwell Road is indexed as existing in SE5 Lamb., Croydon, and E11
Leyton;
Southwell Grove Road --- do. --- E11;
Southwell Gdns --- do. --- SW7 Kens.;
and no others.

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On Tue, 3 May 2005 22:54:28 +0100, Dr John Stockton
wrote:

JRS: In article , dated Tue, 3
May 2005 00:35:49, seen in news:uk.transport.london, John Rowland
posted :
"Tony Wilson" a@a wrote in message
...

I have bought a few old A-Zs on eBay;

Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3
was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA.

Where's HA3? - sounds as if it should be in Yorkshire. Hackney?

In Bartholomew's Reference Atlas of Greater London, 11th Edn, 1961 :

Southwell Road is indexed as existing in SE5 Lamb., Croydon, and E11
Leyton;
Southwell Grove Road --- do. --- E11;
Southwell Gdns --- do. --- SW7 Kens.;
and no others.

My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell
Road, Harrow.
--
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

Dr John Stockton typed

Where's HA3? - sounds as if it should be in Yorkshire. Hackney?

HA3 is a rather odd area of Harrow:- Harrow Weald, parts of Kenton,
Queensbury and Wealdstone.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

In article , Terry Harper
writes
Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3
was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA.


My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell
Road, Harrow.

So now we have narrowed down the dates to 1971-81.
--
Thoss

In message , thoss
writes
In article , Terry Harper
writes
Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3
was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA.


My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell
Road, Harrow.

So now we have narrowed down the dates to 1971-81.

Er, no. If Southwell Road appeared in an atlas dated 1971-2, I don't
think it would have been constructed later than 1971.

ITYM, we have narrowed down the dates to 1963 - 1971.

--
Paul Terry

In article , Paul Terry
writes
In message , thoss
writes
In article , Terry Harper
writes
Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd HA3
was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA.


My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell
Road, Harrow.

So now we have narrowed down the dates to 1971-81.

Er, no. If Southwell Road appeared in an atlas dated 1971-2, I don't
think it would have been constructed later than 1971.

ITYM, we have narrowed down the dates to 1963 - 1971.

Oops. My mistake.
--
Thoss

In article , Richard J.
writes
thoss wrote:

Incidentally and somewhat OT, I note from the Bartholomew Pocket
London Atlas 1939 that in the period 1937-9 Vaughan Road, Lambeth,
was renamed Southwell Road. I wonder why.

The present Southwell Road SE5 runs parallel to and south-east of
Coldharbour Lane, with five short streets linking them, one of which is
Vaughan Road. See map at http://tinyurl.com/bhptu . Are you saying
that before 1937 both the present Vaughan Road and the present Southwell
Road were both called Vaughan Road? If so, the change was probably to
avoid confusion.

I can't say anything about the details. My earliest atlas is the one
mentioned above. The map shows Coldharbour Lane, Vaughan Road parallel
to it and, as you say, several short streets linking them.
Unfortunately these are not named. The atlas has a supplementary index
listing street name changes 1937-39. There seem to be an awful lot of
them - 12 pages worth. I wonder whether the Luftwaffe caused so many.
--
Thoss

Terry Harper writes:
My A-Z dating from the decimalization era (1971-2), shows Southwell
Road, Harrow.

I wonder if we have the same edition. Mine shows the road; its cover
price is 30p or 6'-; there is no date, but the monochrome Underground
diagram on the back cover has a note in tiny print, just above the key,
about the *planned* opening of the Victoria Line extension to Brixton.
(Namely: "Stockwell and Brixton opening second half 1971; Vauxhall
and Pimlico 1972". As it turned out, Vauxhall actually opened along
with Stockwell and Brixton stations in July 1971.) Of course this does
not necessarily indicate the date of the street maps, and for that
matter, the street maps in the volume are not necessarily all for the
same date.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "He seems unable to win without the added
thrill of changing sides." -- Chess

My text in this article is in the public domain.

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 May 2005, John Rowland wrote:

"Tony Wilson" a@a wrote in message
...

I have bought a few old A-Zs on eBay;

Could anyone with a decent collection please pin down when Southwell Rd
HA3 was built? Bonus points if anyone can tell me why it was built. TIA.

I'm intrigued. Why is it interesting why it was built?

Because it is several decades newer than every other road within a 3 mile
radius, except for cul-de-sacs, industrial estate roads, bypasses, and roads
built on the former Hendon Aerodrome. Unlike any of the other new roads, it
turned two previously sleepy neighbourhoods into the shortest through route
from Hatch End and Wealdstone to Central London, and the construction of
such a road goes totally against everything that is considered good in
transport planning - in fact, its strategic location as a cut-through means
that it is exactly the sort of road which, had it been built at the same
time as the neighbouring estates, would probably have been subsequently
blocked, or at least width-restricted, but there is not even much on the way
of speed bumps anywhere near it. Witness the fact that the northern end of
Shaftesbury Avenue has a footbridge, not a road bridge, to Lidding Road -
this is much more in keeping with conventional transport planning.

I haven't checked the house numbers to see if houses in Woodhill Crescent
and Shaftesbury Avenue had to be demolished to build it, but if they did,
its construction is even more surprising. It's almost as if there was a
couincillor living on Kenton Road and he wanted a shortcut to London.

I believe there is only one house on Southwell Rd itself, and that house's
absence on the OS 1:25000 map suggests that it might be only a few years old
and was not connected with the road's construction.

Anyway, thanks for all the replies - now that I have narrowed it down to
1963-1971, I might pursue the matter with the library, if I can be arsed.

--
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