London Transport (uk.transport.london) Discussion of all forms of transport in London.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Report Post  
Old May 5th 05, 11:31 PM posted to uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,577
Default WWII Bunker

"lonelytraveller" wrote in
message oups.com...

I didn't think the tube was as far south as the cathedral.
Do you mean a law about the bombed out church?


No. There is a law against tunnelling within a significant area around St
Pauls. AFAIK there is no such law concerning any other building, even Big
Ben.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes


  #2   Report Post  
Old May 6th 05, 07:11 AM posted to uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Aug 2004
Posts: 341
Default WWII Bunker

John Rowland wrote:

No. There is a law against tunnelling within a significant area
around St Pauls. AFAIK there is no such law concerning any other
building, even Big Ben.


So how did the CLR manage to get their tunnels in then?

  #3   Report Post  
Old May 6th 05, 08:17 AM posted to uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,577
Default WWII Bunker

"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
ups.com...
John Rowland wrote:

No. There is a law against tunnelling within a
significant area around St Pauls. AFAIK there
is no such law concerning any other building, even Big Ben.


So how did the CLR manage to get their tunnels in then?


They used the Tardis to go back in time, and then built the tunnel before
the law was introduced.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes


  #4   Report Post  
Old May 7th 05, 09:16 PM posted to uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2003
Posts: 403
Default WWII Bunker

No. There is a law against tunnelling within a
significant area around St Pauls. AFAIK there
is no such law concerning any other building, even Big Ben.


So how did the CLR manage to get their tunnels in then?


They used the Tardis to go back in time, and then built the tunnel before
the law was introduced.


Right. "Rails Through the Clay" says the cathedral Authorities (so
capitalized) "feared that the foundations of the cathedral might be
affected"; and a footnote reads: "The Cathedral had been given
statutory protection against damage from underground tunnels, in
the City of London (St Paul's Cathedral Preservation) Act 1935."

The footnote continues by citing "PRO MT 6/2728 and HO 205/266".
PRO is the Public Record Office and I presume the rest of this is
the numbers of two files there.

The CLR tunnels, of course, had been finished in 1900 -- but they
weren't quite as well aligned as the Yerkes tube tunnels opened a
few years later, and this restricted the size of trains that could
use them. With the 1930s plan to extend the line east and west
(mostly completed after the war), it was decided to enlarge the
tunnels to allow standard tube stock could be used, as well as
lengthening the stations to take 8-car trains.

It seems a reasonable conjecture that the "cathedral Authorities"
were similarly fearful of all this planned tunneling (which actually
happened in 1936-38), and wanted to make sure it was done with due
regard for their building; and that the protective 1935 act was a
response to their concerns. But that part is just my guess; for
all I know, maybe the timing of the act was just a coincidence.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "...blind faith can ruin the eyesight--
| and the perspective." --Robert Ludlum

My text in this article is in the public domain.
  #5   Report Post  
Old May 6th 05, 08:24 AM posted to uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: May 2005
Posts: 346
Default WWII Bunker

Thats a good point really. The wierd shelter door things are on the
north side of the platform, so if they could build the tube why were
they not allowed to build to the north of it?



  #6   Report Post  
Old May 7th 05, 12:42 PM posted to uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2003
Posts: 856
Default WWII Bunker

In article . com,
TheOneKEA writes
No. There is a law against tunnelling within a significant area
around St Pauls. AFAIK there is no such law concerning any other
building, even Big Ben.

So how did the CLR manage to get their tunnels in then?


Because they were building under the authority of their own Act of
Parliament, and the authorities at St.Pauls would have had an
opportunity to object at the time. The shelter tunnels didn't have an
Act; they were wartime emergency work.

--
Clive D.W. Feather | Home:
Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org
Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work:
Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is:
  #7   Report Post  
Old May 7th 05, 02:05 PM posted to uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: May 2005
Posts: 346
Default WWII Bunker

So the authority of St. Paul's outweighs any authority that the
government has, even in times of national emergency?

  #8   Report Post  
Old May 7th 05, 07:01 PM posted to uk.transport.london
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jul 2003
Posts: 464
Default WWII Bunker

In article .com,
lonelytraveller wrote:
So the authority of St. Paul's outweighs any authority that the
government has, even in times of national emergency?


No; the authority of parliment outweighs a mere offical (eg: a minister).

I'm not sure that's true anymore, but it was in WWII.

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
501 Townlink / Kelvedon Hatch bunker Tristán White London Transport 9 October 6th 06 06:50 PM
WWII Bunker Nick Leverton London Transport 1 May 20th 05 08:12 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:09 AM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 London Banter.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about London Transport"

 

Copyright © 2017