Several weeks ago I was advised by NRE that one leg of a journey I was
making should be made from Putney to Vauxhall on a train which turned
out to be a circular one going from Putney via Kingston, Wimbledon etc.
to Vauxhall. Obviously this is a bad choice because there are much
quicker trains going the other way around the circle.

My question is... if NRE say you can go from Putney to Vauxhall on a
via Kingston, via Wimbledon etc. service does that make it a valid
route and could someone with a zone 1 and 2 travelcard make that
journey but abandon it at, say, Kingston?

Neillw001 wrote:
Chris! wrote:
Several weeks ago I was advised by NRE that one leg of a journey I
was
making should be made from Putney to Vauxhall on a train which
turned
out to be a circular one going from Putney via Kingston, Wimbledon
etc.
to Vauxhall. Obviously this is a bad choice because there are much
quicker trains going the other way around the circle.

My question is... if NRE say you can go from Putney to Vauxhall on
a
via Kingston, via Wimbledon etc. service does that make it a valid
route and could someone with a zone 1 and 2 travelcard make that
journey but abandon it at, say, Kingston?

Kingston is in Zone 6 so presumably you need a Zone 6 Travelcard to
make it valid. Putney is classed as being in both Zones 2 & 3 as far
as
I can remember, so any journey beyond there would not be valid on a
Zone 1 & 2 card.

Neill

Ok, so what about with a single ticket from Putney to Vauxhall?

The NR journey planner shows both options are available, the longer
route via Kingston taking almost an hour. No doubt there is someone on
here with greater knowledge than me who will be able to give us chapter
and verse on the legality of the situation were you to get challenged
by an inspector

Neill

Chris! wrote:
Neillw001 wrote:

Chris! wrote:

Several weeks ago I was advised by NRE that one leg of a journey I

was

making should be made from Putney to Vauxhall on a train which

turned

out to be a circular one going from Putney via Kingston, Wimbledon

etc.

to Vauxhall. Obviously this is a bad choice because there are much
quicker trains going the other way around the circle.

My question is... if NRE say you can go from Putney to Vauxhall on

a

via Kingston, via Wimbledon etc. service does that make it a valid
route and could someone with a zone 1 and 2 travelcard make that
journey but abandon it at, say, Kingston?

Kingston is in Zone 6 so presumably you need a Zone 6 Travelcard to
make it valid. Putney is classed as being in both Zones 2 & 3 as far

as

I can remember, so any journey beyond there would not be valid on a
Zone 1 & 2 card.

Neill


Ok, so what about with a single ticket from Putney to Vauxhall?

I think you're allowed to use a ticket on any direct train between your
origin and destination, regardless of the route it takes - but you
probably wouldn't be able to get off at Kingston or any intermediate point.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Chris! wrote:
Neillw001 wrote:

Chris! wrote:

Several weeks ago I was advised by NRE that one leg of a journey I
was
making should be made from Putney to Vauxhall on a train which
turned
out to be a circular one going from Putney via Kingston, Wimbledon
etc.
to Vauxhall. Obviously this is a bad choice because there are much
quicker trains going the other way around the circle.

My question is... if NRE say you can go from Putney to Vauxhall on
a
via Kingston, via Wimbledon etc. service does that make it a valid
route and could someone with a zone 1 and 2 travelcard make that
journey but abandon it at, say, Kingston?

Kingston is in Zone 6 so presumably you need a Zone 6 Travelcard to
make it valid. Putney is classed as being in both Zones 2 & 3 as far
as
I can remember, so any journey beyond there would not be valid on a
Zone 1 & 2 card.

Ok, so what about with a single ticket from Putney to Vauxhall?

I think you're allowed to use a ticket on any direct train between your
origin and destination, regardless of the route it takes - but you
probably wouldn't be able to get off at Kingston or any intermediate
point.

You can break your journey with a Standard or Cheap Day Single and you can
take any direct train with an Any Permitted routed ticket so if you can buy
one of them they you could go Putney - Kingston with it.

Dave

Chris! wrote:
Several weeks ago I was advised by NRE

On a different topic, I've given up believing them after last Friday:

Try www.rail.co.uk for the 18.33 London to Dover. Phone them and double
check. Check the departure board at Victoria. Ask staff. Read platform
displays out of the window en route. Listen to announcements.

Then look up in wonder when you arrive in Whitstable on completely the
wrong line.

Then be even more shocked when South Eastern staff show you their
version of the printed timetable, which shows that the train doesn't go
to Dover.

I wasn't best pleased.

Dave

NB No, this wasn't the wrong half of a splitting service. NRE think it
splits, but it doesn't.

On 10 May 2005 06:30:21 -0700, "Chris!" wrote:


Neillw001 wrote:
Chris! wrote:
Several weeks ago I was advised by NRE that one leg of a journey I
was
making should be made from Putney to Vauxhall on a train which
turned
out to be a circular one going from Putney via Kingston, Wimbledon
etc.
to Vauxhall. Obviously this is a bad choice because there are much
quicker trains going the other way around the circle.

My question is... if NRE say you can go from Putney to Vauxhall on
a
via Kingston, via Wimbledon etc. service does that make it a valid
route and could someone with a zone 1 and 2 travelcard make that
journey but abandon it at, say, Kingston?

Kingston is in Zone 6 so presumably you need a Zone 6 Travelcard to
make it valid. Putney is classed as being in both Zones 2 & 3 as far
as
I can remember, so any journey beyond there would not be valid on a
Zone 1 & 2 card.

Neill

Ok, so what about with a single ticket from Putney to Vauxhall?

My understanding of the rules is that, provided the ticket says on it
"Route: Any Permitted" (or has nothing in the "Route" section), and
your ticket type allows break of journey (most do), then you may
travel on a Putney-Kingston-Vauxhall train from Putney to Kingston and
leave the station at Kingston; however, if a Putney-Kingston ticket
(of the same type) is more expensive than your Putney-Vauxhall one,
you *must* return to Kingston station and complete your journey to
Vauxhall on a similar Putney-Kingston-Vauxhall train, else you'll be
breaching the Railway Bye-laws (which forbid you from using a cheaper
ticket to a more distant station to deliberately avoid paying the more
expensive fare to an intermediate station).

Of course, what the rules say and what is actually enforced are two
completely different things; if you try to squeeze savings out of the
system by legitimately exploiting technicalities such as these, you
may find your arguments rubbished by the ticket inspector and the
entire railway company, and be forced to back down and pay the penalty
fare under threat of court action (which would require a bottomless
pit of money to fight). Apparently it has happened in the past.

Dave Arquati wrote:
Chris! wrote:
Neillw001 wrote:

Chris! wrote:

Several weeks ago I was advised by NRE that one leg of a journey I

was

making should be made from Putney to Vauxhall on a train which

turned

out to be a circular one going from Putney via Kingston, Wimbledon

etc.

to Vauxhall. Obviously this is a bad choice because there are
much
quicker trains going the other way around the circle.

My question is... if NRE say you can go from Putney to Vauxhall on

a

via Kingston, via Wimbledon etc. service does that make it a valid
route and could someone with a zone 1 and 2 travelcard make that
journey but abandon it at, say, Kingston?

Kingston is in Zone 6 so presumably you need a Zone 6 Travelcard to
make it valid. Putney is classed as being in both Zones 2 & 3 as
far

as

I can remember, so any journey beyond there would not be valid on a
Zone 1 & 2 card.

Neill


Ok, so what about with a single ticket from Putney to Vauxhall?

I think you're allowed to use a ticket on any direct train between
your
origin and destination, regardless of the route it takes - but you
probably wouldn't be able to get off at Kingston or any intermediate
point.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Can someone define direct train for me? On the national rail dept.
boards the trains appear as Waterloo to Waterloo (circular service) BUT
at the staions en route the destinations change (e.g. strawberry hill
on display @ waterloo then kingston on display after clapham junction
then etc.

asdf wrote:

[If] your ticket type allows break of journey (most do),

This is news to me. I had the general impression that breaks of journey
weren't allowed.

Can someone point me at an idiot's guide to when break of journey is
allowed on NR?

In ,
asdf typed:

.... if a Putney-Kingston ticket
(of the same type) is more expensive than your Putney-Vauxhall one,
you *must* return to Kingston station and complete your journey to
Vauxhall on a similar Putney-Kingston-Vauxhall train, else you'll be
breaching the Railway Bye-laws (which forbid you from using a cheaper
ticket to a more distant station to deliberately avoid paying the more
expensive fare to an intermediate station).

There is no such Bye-law.



--
Bob