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From Sunday Times article on the CTRL at St Pancras: ' Just as the
Midland had ploughed up corpses to build its tracks, so the new work
unearthed further remains. In fact, no fewer than 7,000 bodies came
out of the ground just north of the station.'

Were there really so many bodies found? When I asked a CTRL lecturer
last year whether any bodies had been unearthed the answer was ' yes,
a few'. I wonder which report is accurate.


The Sunday Times article is ambiguous - I think the 7000 is meant to refer
to the original construcion of the Midland Railway, but it could be read to
refer to the CTRL.

Another 19th century railway where a graveyard was disturbed was the Charing
Cross extension of the SER, where at least 7950 bodies were removed from the
College Burial Ground of the parish of St Mary's, Lambeth, and reburied in
Woking (presumably Brookwood) cemetery.

Peter


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Peter Masson wrote:
The Sunday Times article is ambiguous - I think the 7000 is meant to refer
to the original construcion of the Midland Railway, but it could be read to
refer to the CTRL.


It must refer to building the Midland route and the Metropolitan (now
Thameslink) connection. If 7,000 bodies had been exhumed during the
CTRL work then we'd have heard about it beforehand. The Guardian G2
article on Friday (27/05/05) has no such mention of this.

It sounds like the CTRL lecturer the OP spoke to is correct - a 'few'
bodies were exhumed. 7,000 is not a 'few'!

When on Thameslink it's certainly an odd to think that you're
travelling through a burial ground.

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On Tue, 31 May 2005 11:40:18 UTC, "Mizter T"
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When on Thameslink it's certainly an odd to think that you're
travelling through a burial ground.


Could have been worse ... "the old Indian burial ground" ... wooooooo
.....


Ian


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Ian Johnston wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2005 11:40:18 UTC, "Mizter T"
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When on Thameslink it's certainly an odd to think that you're
travelling through a burial ground.


Could have been worse ... "the old Indian burial ground" ... wooooooo
....


Ian


Perhaps that's why they're too scared to fit out the station...

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In article .com,
wrote:

Ian Johnston wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2005 11:40:18 UTC, "Mizter T"
wrote:
When on Thameslink it's certainly an odd to think that you're
travelling through a burial ground.


Could have been worse ... "the old Indian burial ground" ... wooooooo
....


Perhaps that's why they're too scared to fit out the station...


Is it too soon to jump in with "I'd have gotten away with if it hadn't
been for you pesky kids"?

Sam


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Sam Wilson wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:


Ian Johnston wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2005 11:40:18 UTC, "Mizter T"
wrote:

When on Thameslink it's certainly an odd to think that you're
travelling through a burial ground.

Could have been worse ... "the old Indian burial ground" ... wooooooo
....


Perhaps that's why they're too scared to fit out the station...



Is it too soon to jump in with "I'd have gotten away with if it hadn't
been for you pesky kids"?


fx: pulls of rubber face
It's Sam Wilson, the old hotel manager!

Robin

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In article , R.C. Payne
wrote:

Sam Wilson wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:


Ian Johnston wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2005 11:40:18 UTC, "Mizter T"
wrote:

When on Thameslink it's certainly an odd to think that you're
travelling through a burial ground.

Could have been worse ... "the old Indian burial ground" ... wooooooo
....

Perhaps that's why they're too scared to fit out the station...



Is it too soon to jump in with "I'd have gotten away with if it hadn't
been for you pesky kids"?


fx: pulls of rubber face
It's Sam Wilson, the old hotel manager!


Oi, you leave my rubber face out of this!

Sam
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In message , Sam Wilson
writes
In article .com,
wrote:

Ian Johnston wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2005 11:40:18 UTC, "Mizter T"
wrote:
When on Thameslink it's certainly an odd to think that you're
travelling through a burial ground.

Could have been worse ... "the old Indian burial ground" ... wooooooo
....


Perhaps that's why they're too scared to fit out the station...


Is it too soon to jump in with "I'd have gotten away with if it hadn't
been for you pesky kids"?

Sam

Even though it years later, the station under ground zero is still
boarded off, even though you can see the platforms from the trains.
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What follows sounds pretty gorey - I wonder if similar care was taken
during the Midland constuction:

E.D. Wivens wrote:
In 'The Condition of the Working-class in England in 1844'Friedrich
Engels describes the building of a railway *through* the pauper burial
ground on the banks of the River Irk near Manchester.

His description of the works, (which included some pile-driving
operations), ends "The disgusting brutality which accompanied this
work I cannot describe in further detail."


(original post at
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....06a01d61?hl=en)

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On Tue, 31 May 2005 10:37:06 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Masson"
wrote:


"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message
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From Sunday Times article on the CTRL at St Pancras: ' Just as the
Midland had ploughed up corpses to build its tracks, so the new work
unearthed further remains. In fact, no fewer than 7,000 bodies came
out of the ground just north of the station.'

Were there really so many bodies found? When I asked a CTRL lecturer
last year whether any bodies had been unearthed the answer was ' yes,
a few'. I wonder which report is accurate.


The Sunday Times article is ambiguous - I think the 7000 is meant to refer
to the original construcion of the Midland Railway, but it could be read to
refer to the CTRL.


That is how I read it. It continues ' Most were from the 18th
century; one was a French archbishop, probably an escapee from the
revolution. Modern mores required that they all be treated with
respect. "We had to match them up and re-bury them last year," says
Tim Smart, acronymic client manager, "we had the local clergy along
and re-interred them in East Finchley cemetery. '. (See
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...860_3,00.html).

I don't believe that 7000 bodies could be reburied without some major
fuss arising. I will attempt to get an answer from CTRL public
relations.
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Peter Lawrence


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