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June 15th 05, 03:14 PM
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Improvements to the North London Line
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Dave Arquati wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, asdf wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:48:58 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 wrote: Dave Arquati wrote: wrote: 91m package of improvements to the North London Line the 3 car trains from Euston to Watford Junc needed extra carriages when you see the overcrowding The same could be said about the trains on the WAGN lines. I really don't get Ken's infatuation with the NLL; it's just not serving a corridor with heavy demand, Have you BEEN on it during the peaks? It has peaks? I'm sure this conversation has been done before not long ago... Mea culpa. The NLL is *busy*! Particularly so during the peaks - but the trains load well in the offpeaks too! I've been on NLL trains on Sundays where every seat has been occupied - and sometimes that's even when part of the line is bustituted. Even the comparatively short WLL is pretty busy in the peaks, on the Silverlink shuttle services which only call at 4 stations. There are proposals to introduce eight-car trains on it in the future when funds become available for resignalling. There is demand for inner London orbital rail services. Apparently even the GOBLIN can get overcrowded during the peaks, and that has tiny trains and a rubbish frequency! All true, but bear in mind that the busyness of a line is proportional to demand divided by service level; the crowding you mention is as much to do with the fact that the lines have so few cars per hour as to do with the numbers of people who want to use them. Of course, that does mean that in terms of amount of crowding relief per pound spent, these are the most cost-effective lines to improve. Dammit! Cha-ching... we're quids in :-) I'll still be impressed if that £91m runs to all the proposed improvements. Mind you, Chiltern Railways managed to double a whole load of single-track railway for around that cost, so maybe it's not that unrealistic. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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June 15th 05, 03:19 PM
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