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"Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed

www.hamhigh.co.uk

by Matt Eley, 24 June 2005



A MULTI-MILLION pound development that would have changed the face of Camden
Town has been thrown out by the Deputy Prime Minister.

London Underground chiefs are reeling after their ambitious £130million
plans for the tube station were thrown out.

The scheme would have seen a seven-storey glass office block, houses and
shops rising above Camden Town.

The plan was originally rejected by Camden Council and now John Prescott has
agreed that, although the Northern Line station needs an upgrade, the block
would have ruined the area.

The decision means that landmark buildings that had been earmarked for
demolition, including the Electric Ballroom, Buck Street Market and Trinity
United Reformed Church, are safe, for the immediate future.

Kate Fuller, Electric Ballroom owner, said: "I had no idea what the outcome
was going to be so it came as a complete and utter surprise.

"Hopefully they realised the importance of the Electric Ballroom as a famous
venue and maybe now they will leave us alone. It is a big weight off our
shoulders so we will have a party to celebrate."

A report from the office of the Deputy Prime Minister published this week
states: "The Secretary of State concludes that the proposed above ground
development at an important location would not preserve or enhance the
character and appearance of the conservation area and would have a
detrimental impact on the vitality and viability of Camden Town centre."

Brian Coleman, Camden and Barnet member of the London Assembly, slammed the
decision.

He said: "It's an absolute betrayal by the government of users of the
Northern Line.

"This is the end of the project. We needed that new station, now the users
of the Northern Line face decades of misery."

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So what are the chances that South Kentish Town (Castle Road) will be
reopened?

On 24 Jun 2005 01:38:09 -0700, "TheOneKEA"
wrote:

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So what are the chances that South Kentish Town (Castle Road) will be
reopened?

Minimal.


SKT is a fair walk from Camden Tn and has only 50% of the service.

Rob.
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:13:14 +0100, Robert Woolley
wrote:

On 24 Jun 2005 01:38:09 -0700, "TheOneKEA"
wrote:

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So what are the chances that South Kentish Town (Castle Road) will be
reopened?

Minimal.


SKT is a fair walk from Camden Tn

Not so much of an issue for those who live closer to SKT than to
Camden Town (which is who the reopening would be aimed at, thus taking
pressure off Camden Town)

and has only 50% of the service.

Still pretty good if you take the first train and change at CT if
necessary. Since it would take you less time to walk to the station,
that would more than compensate for a slightly longer wait.

"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message
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"Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed

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"This is the end of the project. We needed that new station,
now the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery."

Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to
switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on
rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North
London Line every day for about a century.

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John Rowland wrote:

"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message
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Press report forwarded FYI by:

- Alan (in Brussels)

"Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed

www.hamhigh.co.uk

"This is the end of the project. We needed that new station,
now the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery."

Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to
switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on
rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North
London Line every day for about a century.

But surely there's only a limited number of routes for which Camden
Road would be a viable alternative?

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John Rowland wrote:

"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message
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Press report forwarded FYI by:

- Alan (in Brussels)

"Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed

www.hamhigh.co.uk

"This is the end of the project. We needed that new station,
now the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery."

Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is
to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly
calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden
Town station would fund a decent service on the North
London Line every day for about a century.

But surely there's only a limited number of routes
for which Camden Road would be a viable alternative?

Yes, but you don't have to remove all the people from Camden Town. A 25%
reduction at the weekend might make the station workable for 20 years or so,
and who knows how unfashonable Camden might be by then.

--
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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, John Rowland wrote:

"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message
...

"the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery."

Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to
switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent
on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the
North London Line every day for about a century.

Do explain. Just how does the NLL help people currently using the Northern
line get to where they want to go? Forty thousand trains to Stratford
doesn't someone wanting to get to Waterloo much good.

Now, if you could wangle some sort of North London Decline out of that
money, so you could take trains off the NLL and into King's Cross, or onto
the Thameslink route, i might agree, but if you're just talking about more
trains to Stratford, then sorry, but what?

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, John Rowland wrote:

"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message
...

"the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery."

Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to
get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly
calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding
Camden Town station would fund a decent service
on the North London Line every day for about a century.

Do explain. Just how does the NLL help people currently
using the Northern line get to where they want to go?

By removing from the Northern Line station all the people who want to go to
Wood Green, Seven Sisters, Wembley, etc, and who would use the North London
Line if only it were not so infrequent and lacking in quality interchanges.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, John Rowland wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, John Rowland wrote:

"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message
...

"the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery."

Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people
to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be
spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on
the North London Line every day for about a century.

Do explain. Just how does the NLL help people currently using the
Northern line get to where they want to go?

By removing from the Northern Line station all the people who want to go
to Wood Green, Seven Sisters, Wembley, etc, and who would use the North
London Line if only it were not so infrequent and lacking in quality
interchanges.

Ah, i see. That does make quite a lot of sense. Sorry i ever doubted you!

Hang on, though: if the station was actually busy, where would the dealers
sell their smack? You have to think about the knock-on effects!

tom

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