On a bus this afternoon, I was sitting on one of the jump-seats in the
wheelchair area. A girl with a buggy got on and glared at me until I got up
and gave her my place.

The signage clearly says that the space is for wheelchairs - since when have
Big Mac-chomping, income support-claiming chav slappers with wailing brats
require the same level of concern as people in wheelchairs?

Ian

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:02:44 +0100, "Ian F."
wrote:

On a bus this afternoon, I was sitting on one of the jump-seats in the
wheelchair area. A girl with a buggy got on and glared at me until I got up
and gave her my place.

At least you were only glared at. I've been bashed into, had my feet run
over and witnessed all out warfare being buggy toting mothers.

The signage clearly says that the space is for wheelchairs - since when have
Big Mac-chomping, income support-claiming chav slappers with wailing brats
require the same level of concern as people in wheelchairs?

Since they became too lazy to fold them down and buggies developed 4x4
syndrome and turned into Hummers for toddlers. It would not surprise me
if mothers refused to move or fold their buggies if a wheelchair
passenger actually wanted to use the allocated space.

I hate the bloody things - they are a curse and are a safety risk if too
many are allowed on board. I hate to think what would happen if people
needed to escape from the rear of a bus when there were 3 buggies
jamming the aisle and centre doors. Wonder if TfL Buses have done that
risk assessment exercise?
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Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:02:44 +0100, "Ian F."
wrote:

On a bus this afternoon, I was sitting on one of the jump-seats in the
wheelchair area. A girl with a buggy got on and glared at me until I got
up
and gave her my place.

At least you were only glared at. I've been bashed into, had my feet run
over and witnessed all out warfare being buggy toting mothers.

The signage clearly says that the space is for wheelchairs - since when
have
Big Mac-chomping, income support-claiming chav slappers with wailing
brats
require the same level of concern as people in wheelchairs?

Since they became too lazy to fold them down and buggies developed 4x4
syndrome and turned into Hummers for toddlers. It would not surprise me
if mothers refused to move or fold their buggies if a wheelchair
passenger actually wanted to use the allocated space.

I hate the bloody things - they are a curse and are a safety risk if too
many are allowed on board. I hate to think what would happen if people
needed to escape from the rear of a bus when there were 3 buggies
jamming the aisle and centre doors. Wonder if TfL Buses have done that
risk assessment exercise?
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!



They should do what they do in some countries and hang the buggies at the
front of the bus. (together with the parent!) ;-)

A.

Paul Corfield wrote:
At least you were only glared at. I've been bashed into,
had my feet run over and witnessed all out warfare being
buggy toting mothers.

Of course I'm sure you're just lovely, but trying to
maneouvre buggies and/or a small child on buses (whether
tha stroller is collapsed or not) would be a great deal
easier if some passengers weren't a load of inconsiderate
******s.

If your experience of buggies and mothers has made you
hostile, think about what their experience is. You're
just got to stand around like the nice gentleman you are;
they've got a buggy and child to shift.

#Paul

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they've got a buggy and child to shift.
They are masters of their own fate. If they can't fold a push chair
then walk, if they can't walk then keep your knees together and you
won't have the trouble of push chairs and kids annoying real passengers
who need to get from A to B. Lets not forget that these women have all
day to do their shopping or what ever it is they do.
--
Clive

Clive wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:

In message ,
writes
they've got a buggy and child to shift.
They are masters of their own fate. If they can't fold a push chair then
walk, if they can't walk then keep your knees together and you won't
have the trouble of push chairs and kids annoying real passengers who
need to get from A to B. Lets not forget that these women have all day
to do their shopping or what ever it is they do.

While I find buggies on buses can be as annoying and intrusive as you
evidently do, could I point out that a great many mothers of young
children are obliged to work to make ends meet (and this has always been
the case - the "Protestant work ethic" of father earning the family's
living while mother stayed at home with the children was always a
middle-class dream, never a working-class reality), so need to travel to
work when you do. Perhaps *you* could change *your* working hours,
since you are not encumbered by a family?

Please do try not to be so appallingly, insensitively offensive.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

In message , Mrs Redboots
writes
While I find buggies on buses can be as annoying and intrusive as you
evidently do, could I point out that a great many mothers of young
children are obliged to work to make ends meet (and this has always
been the case - the "Protestant work ethic" of father earning the
family's living while mother stayed at home with the children was
always a middle-class dream, never a working-class reality), so need to
travel to work when you do. Perhaps *you* could change *your* working
hours, since you are not encumbered by a family?

Please do try not to be so appallingly, insensitively offensive.
I am sorry for offending you, but I still think mothers with pushchairs
should have then folded before even attempting to board a bus. You're
right that I don't understand everyone's circumstances, but I do
understand the room these things take up and that modern buses of the
kneeling type are for wheelchair access not pushchair access. A little
thought would confirm my position, and I am white and working class.
Just go back a few years and you'll remember that whilst we had rear
loading with a conductor, he would refuse access to someone with an
unfolded pushchair and would only wait for it to be folded if the bus
was a bit early.
--
Clive

you won't have the trouble of push chairs and kids
annoying real passengers who need to get from
A to B. Lets not forget that these women have all
day to do their shopping or what ever it is they do.

I always presumed people with buggies were 'real
passengers who need to get from A to B'. I've
certainly never seen any holographic mothers with
prams, nor any women with toddlers riding around
and around on the bus all day not wanting to go
anywhere.

And of course many women with children have
full or part time jobs as well as looking after the
kids, but you knew that already.


Matt Ashby
www.mattashby.com

In article ,
(Clive) wrote:

In message ,
writes
they've got a buggy and child to shift.
They are masters of their own fate. If they can't fold a push chair
then walk, if they can't walk then keep your knees together and you
won't have the trouble of push chairs and kids annoying real passengers
who need to get from A to B. Lets not forget that these women have all
day to do their shopping or what ever it is they do.

I can see you're not a parent. Back to re-education camp for you my boy!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
I can see you're not a parent. Back to re-education camp for you my
boy!
Two, boy 27 girl22.
--
Clive