Charlie wrote:
Anyone who drives a car in Lambeth is a target for unfair ticketing.
The council have put financial incentives in their parking contract
which means that traffic wardens have to hand out 12 tickets for EVERY
12 hour shift.

Find out more he http://www.lambethlabour.com/parking/

Anyone else experienced unfair ticketing?


The website doesn't really define "Unfair ticketing".

If someone parks illegally, then they should rightly be ticketed. The
simple way to stop "over-zealous" (funny that that term only applies to
people like traffic wardens, ticket inspectors etc) ticketers is to not
park illegally. 12 tickets per shift isn't that much. The way the
Evening Standard goes on about it, I was under the impression that
individual wardens were issuing that many an hour...

Sorry to sound unsympathetic, (and I'm not a traffic warden btw) but I
am tired of people thinking that parking laws are just suggestions and
are there to be flouted. That said, the idea of private companies
skimming a profit of parking tickets etc. leaves a nasty taste in the
mouth.

I think you've missed the point.

The contract in Lambeth which stipulates Control Plus have to hand out
200,000 tickets a year, otherwise their profits are significantly
reduced. This works out at 12 tickets every 8 hour shift (My mistake
for putting 12 hour shift in the first post).

The problem is there is nowhere near 200,000 people parking illegally
in Lambeth a year. In the year prior to that contract being signed,
only 120,000 tickets were handed out.

So how do they make up the difference? They ticket people who AREN'T
parking illegally. I am not exagerating here. A guy whose scooter had
been crushed was ticketed whilst he was being put in the back of an
ambulance after an accident. Another bloke was given a ticket when his
legally parked car was rammed onto the pavement. you can't make this
stuff up, it's all been reported in the local newspapers. For every
extreme example their are thousands of others.

I couldn't agree with you more that people parked illegally should be
ticketed. But I'm afraid this contract is forcing wardens to ticket
people who are parked illegally.

"Charlie" wrote in message
oups.com...

I think you've missed the point.

The contract in Lambeth which stipulates Control Plus have to hand out
200,000 tickets a year, otherwise their profits are significantly
reduced. This works out at 12 tickets every 8 hour shift (My mistake
for putting 12 hour shift in the first post).

The problem is there is nowhere near 200,000 people parking illegally
in Lambeth a year. In the year prior to that contract being signed,
only 120,000 tickets were handed out.

Just because only 120k tickets were issued last year does not mean that is
the total number of cars parked illegally. There would be many more who did
not get caught because there didn't happen to be a traffic warden around at
the time. So if the new company are more efficient than the old one and
catch more vehicles it is perfectly possible to issue 200k tickets without
having to ticket random cars.

So how do they make up the difference? They ticket people who AREN'T
parking illegally. I am not exagerating here. A guy whose scooter had
been crushed was ticketed whilst he was being put in the back of an
ambulance after an accident. Another bloke was given a ticket when his
legally parked car was rammed onto the pavement. you can't make this
stuff up, it's all been reported in the local newspapers. For every
extreme example their are thousands of others.

How is a traffic warden supposed to know that the driver of a scooter has
been taken to hospital. Are they psychic? Should they ring round every
hospital before they issue a ticket just in case?

I couldn't agree with you more that people parked illegally should be
ticketed. But I'm afraid this contract is forcing wardens to ticket
people who are parked illegally.

In other words you have been given a couple of tickets and are now whinging
because you used to be able to park wherever you liked.

Peter Smyth

"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
...

"Charlie" wrote in message
oups.com...

I think you've missed the point.

The contract in Lambeth which stipulates Control Plus have to hand out
200,000 tickets a year, otherwise their profits are significantly
reduced. This works out at 12 tickets every 8 hour shift (My mistake
for putting 12 hour shift in the first post).

The problem is there is nowhere near 200,000 people parking illegally
in Lambeth a year. In the year prior to that contract being signed,
only 120,000 tickets were handed out.

Just because only 120k tickets were issued last year does not mean that is
the total number of cars parked illegally. There would be many more who
did not get caught because there didn't happen to be a traffic warden
around at the time. So if the new company are more efficient than the old
one and catch more vehicles it is perfectly possible to issue 200k tickets
without having to ticket random cars.

I agree. All it takes is late evening and sunday working. In all of the
places that I have lived in an around London it is normal to find double
yellows treated like they are there at these times of the week. I could
ticket 50 cars in as long as it takes to write them on a Sunday.

And as a resident of these localities who goes out of his way to
park legally, it really pees me off that these people aren't ticketed.

tim

tim (moved to sweden) wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:


I agree. All it takes is late evening and sunday working. In all of the
places that I have lived in an around London it is normal to find double
yellows treated like they are there at these times of the week. I could
ticket 50 cars in as long as it takes to write them on a Sunday.

In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in
the late evening and on a Sunday. And if it isn't, you can be *very*
sure that tickets will be issued!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

Mrs Redboots wrote:
tim (moved to sweden) wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:


I agree. All it takes is late evening and sunday working. In all of the
places that I have lived in an around London it is normal to find double
yellows treated like they are there at these times of the week. I could
ticket 50 cars in as long as it takes to write them on a Sunday.


In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in
the late evening and on a Sunday. And if it isn't, you can be *very*
sure that tickets will be issued!
Not correct
I believe the new regs only allow double yellows to be used where 'No
waiting at any time' restrictiona apply.
See HC

Jim Chisholm

In ,
J. Chisholm typed:

Mrs Redboots wrote:

In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines
in the late evening and on a Sunday.

Not correct
I believe the new regs only allow double yellows to be used where 'No
waiting at any time' restrictiona apply.
See HC

Not quite correct. There can be posted 'seasonal exceptions'.
See HC





--
Bob

J. Chisholm wrote:
Mrs Redboots wrote:

tim (moved to sweden) wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:


I agree. All it takes is late evening and sunday working. In all of
the
places that I have lived in an around London it is normal to find double
yellows treated like they are there at these times of the week. I could
ticket 50 cars in as long as it takes to write them on a Sunday.


In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in
the late evening and on a Sunday. And if it isn't, you can be *very*
sure that tickets will be issued!

Not correct
I believe the new regs only allow double yellows to be used where 'No
waiting at any time' restrictiona apply.
See HC

I think you'll find that late evening and on a Sunday are when the
parking attendants are not on shift. If they were, you'll probably be
ticketed, whatever the local notices might say.

--
Simon Hewison

In article ,
(Mrs Redboots) wrote:

tim (moved to sweden) wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:

I agree. All it takes is late evening and sunday working. In all of
the places that I have lived in an around London it is normal to find
double yellows treated like they are there at these times of the week.
I could ticket 50 cars in as long as it takes to write them on a
Sunday.

In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in
the late evening and on a Sunday. And if it isn't, you can be *very*
sure that tickets will be issued!

Not any more. Double yellow lines only mean "No Waiting at any time" now.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:

In article ,
(Mrs Redboots) wrote:

In many areas, it is perfectly legal to park on double yellow lines in
the late evening and on a Sunday. And if it isn't, you can be *very*
sure that tickets will be issued!

Not any more. Double yellow lines only mean "No Waiting at any time" now.

Is that so? Then what, please, is the point of the "Red routes" where
double red lines mean no stopping/waiting at any time?

Of course, if more *legal* parking places existed, people would be less
inclined to park illegally! Okay, we don't have to own a car, but they
can come in useful on occasions.....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005