In article op.stnf8gztw13aik@stephen, (Dockland)
wrote:

London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although
looking at the actual software system maps they used to show the
location and direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was
headed for Aldgate East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he
got on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off
within 50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.

All this points to the theory that all the bombs were planted at King's
Cross, doesn't it?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Martin Underwood" typed


I wonder how the times of the Edgware and KX bombs were initally
reported so
accurately - but wrongly. ^^^^^^^

Edgware ROAD is NOT Edgware! The two are 10 miles apart and have no
direct daytime transport. PLEASE do not perpetuate the confusion. I have
had to reassure many concerned friends.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:33:01 +0100, "Martin Underwood"
wrote:

"Dockland" wrote in message
newsp.stnf8gztw13aik@stephen...
London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although looking
at the actual software system maps they used to show the location and
direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was headed for Aldgate
East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he got
on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off within
50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.

Interesting that the BBC still haven't corrected the times and directions on
their "definitive" map

Hardly surprising, considering they're still claiming that the Picc
line tunnel is "unsafe," long after Tim O'Toole confirmed that there
is nothing wrong with it. Mind you, they - like so many media outlets
- continued to claim that this is the first ever terrorist attack on
the London Underground, which it definitely isn't by a degree of some
70 years!

I wonder how the times of the Edgware and KX bombs were initally reported so
accurately - but wrongly.

Edgware Road was timed at 09:17 because that was when the police first
received a specific report of an explosion, although they had
previously been notified of other incidents (person under train,
derailment, etc.).
--
Nick Cooper

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http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
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The Transport for London website now has sets of 3 snapshot track diagram
pictures (for Press use) showing the locations of trains leading up to
both the Aldgate and Edgware Road explosions. In the latter case it is
clear that the bomb was on an Edgware Rd-Paddington Circle line train (no
214) between Edgware Rd and Praed St Junction. When the bomb went off it
was passing a (stationary) eastbound train from Paddington to Edgware Rd
(presumably a District since there is no train ID no shown). This was
evidently waiting for a free platform at Edgware Rd. There was an
eastbound H&C at Edgware Rd, plus another train which had been stationary
at the south side of the eastbound island platform for some time (probably
a reversing District Line train). Only Circle line trains have IDs
showing, the others are all "000" but can be identified from following
through the picture sequence.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...ry/default.asp
and accept the copyright T&Cs to find the pictures.

David

In article ,
gwr4090 wrote:
....... In the latter case it is
clear that the bomb was on an Edgware Rd-Paddington Circle line train (no
214) between Edgware Rd and Praed St Junction. ....

David

Sorry, that should be 216 not 214.

David

In article ,
(gwr4090) wrote:

The Transport for London website now has sets of 3 snapshot track
diagram pictures (for Press use) showing the locations of trains leading
up to both the Aldgate and Edgware Road explosions. In the latter case
it is clear that the bomb was on an Edgware Rd-Paddington Circle line
train (no 214) between Edgware Rd and Praed St Junction. When the bomb
went off it was passing a (stationary) eastbound train from Paddington
to Edgware Rd (presumably a District since there is no train ID no
shown). This was evidently waiting for a free platform at Edgware Rd.
There was an eastbound H&C at Edgware Rd, plus another train which had
been stationary at the south side of the eastbound island platform for
some time (probably a reversing District Line train). Only Circle line
trains have IDs showing, the others are all "000" but can be identified
from following through the picture sequence.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...ry/default.asp
and accept the copyright T&Cs to find the pictures.

The diagram shows train 216. Did you mean 214? Also, which train was
bombed at Liverpool Street?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Hardly surprising, considering they're still claiming that the Picc
line tunnel is "unsafe," long after Tim O'Toole confirmed that there
is nothing wrong with it. Mind you, they - like so many media outlets
- continued to claim that this is the first ever terrorist attack on
the London Underground, which it definitely isn't by a degree of some
70 years!

This is the first deep-level tube bomb. That is a very different matter
from cut and cover tunnels as the blast will have been much more confined.
So maybe that was what they were saying?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:03 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Hardly surprising, considering they're still claiming that the Picc
line tunnel is "unsafe," long after Tim O'Toole confirmed that there
is nothing wrong with it. Mind you, they - like so many media outlets
- continued to claim that this is the first ever terrorist attack on
the London Underground, which it definitely isn't by a degree of some
70 years!

This is the first deep-level tube bomb. That is a very different matter
from cut and cover tunnels as the blast will have been much more confined.

Apart from Wood Green in 1975 (the day after West Ham), of course.
Date-wise, I was thinking of the 1939 IRA bombs at Tottenham Court
Road and Leicester Square, although they were in the left luggage
offices.

So maybe that was what they were saying?

I doubt they'd be able to make the distinction, considering way "Tube"
has been used to describe the sub-surface trains/lines the last few
days! That aside, the terms used that I've heard have been, "the first
terrorist attack on the _Underground_."
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

This is the first deep-level tube bomb. That is a very different
matter from cut and cover tunnels as the blast will have been much
more confined.

Apart from Wood Green in 1975 (the day after West Ham), of course.

Details? I don't recall that. Was it in a train in a running tunnel? What
stock was involved?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Nick Cooper wrote:

I doubt they'd be able to make the distinction, considering way "Tube"
has been used to describe the sub-surface trains/lines the last few
days! That aside, the terms used that I've heard have been, "the first
terrorist attack on the _Underground_."

I find it quite amusing that friends who normally dismiss my interest in
the Tube as me being a "trainspotter" have been quizzing me on the
different types of line, and I ended up in the pub on Friday telling
people about cut'n'cover and deep-level tubes. Very bizarre.

(...and then we went back to discussing the totty. )



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