There seems to be some confusion as to which direction the three trains
were travelling in. The police chief in this morning's press conference
has just said that the first bomb was in a train travelling from
Aldgate to Liverpool Street, but others have been reporting that the
train was travelling in the opposite direction? I would have thought
that knowing the direction of the trains was crucial - you want to be
looking at the correct CCTV pictures on the platforms!

Additionally, I was watching the BBC last night and they had a diagram
of the Bus heading eastwards along Euston Road towards Kings Cross
before being diverted to Tavistock Square, but others have reported
that the bus came from Kings Cross?

If all the trains, and the bus, were travelling away from Kings Cross
then this adds weight to the single bomber theory.

Does someone have the definitive answer?


The BBC now has a clickable map.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ml/aldgate.stm

--
Peter.

Peter Goodland wrote:
There seems to be some confusion as to which direction the three trains
were travelling in. The police chief in this morning's press conference
has just said that the first bomb was in a train travelling from
Aldgate to Liverpool Street, but others have been reporting that the
train was travelling in the opposite direction? I would have thought
that knowing the direction of the trains was crucial - you want to be
looking at the correct CCTV pictures on the platforms!

Additionally, I was watching the BBC last night and they had a diagram
of the Bus heading eastwards along Euston Road towards Kings Cross
before being diverted to Tavistock Square, but others have reported
that the bus came from Kings Cross?

If all the trains, and the bus, were travelling away from Kings Cross
then this adds weight to the single bomber theory.

Does someone have the definitive answer?


The BBC now has a clickable map.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ml/aldgate.stm


This BBC map shows Bomb 1 and Bomb 3 both exploding on WESTBOUND Circle
line trains. But - think about the time differences between the two
explosions! The first bomb (Liverpool St.) was at 8:51 and the second
(Edware Rd) was at 9:17.

How long does it take a circle line train to get from Liverpool St. to
Edware road? These two trains could have been next to each other to
start with! Perhaps the same bomber placed bombs in both of these two
trains?

Paul

In article . com,
(Paul Douglas) wrote:

This BBC map shows Bomb 1 and Bomb 3 both exploding on WESTBOUND Circle
line trains. But - think about the time differences between the two
explosions! The first bomb (Liverpool St.) was at 8:51 and the second
(Edware Rd) was at 9:17.

How long does it take a circle line train to get from Liverpool St. to
Edware road? These two trains could have been next to each other to
start with! Perhaps the same bomber placed bombs in both of these two
trains?

There are now witness accounts correcting the Edgware Road explosion time
to 8:50.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:


There are now witness accounts correcting the Edgware Road explosion time
to 8:50.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Hello Colin,

if you are referring to reports of the statement made by Sarah Reid,
then I understand she was commenting on being involved in the Aldgate
incident, not the Edgware road one. I couldn't find any references to
a different time for the Edgware road explosion - please post links if
you know different.

As far as I can tell from the reports, the explosions were on a
westbound train between Edgware Road and Paddington, a southbound train
between King's Cross and Russell Square, and a train between Liverpool
Street and Aldgate. The direction of travel of the last train is
unclear. It's also not clear what train stock was affected and what
service it was running - not that it's particularly important, but the
media have been very confused, mixing up Aldgate, Aldgate East, Circle
Line, H&C and so on.

It's all a very good example of the 'fog of war', and I wouldn't be
surprised if the same level of confusion afflicted the emergency
services, what with the initial reports of a 'power surge', then 7 or 8
explosions, confusion in the location of the bus between Tavistock
Square and Upper Woburn Place (was it one bus or two), and reports of
suspicious packages at Baker Street and Stockwell as well as other
places.

One of the better consensus opinions of what happened is probably at
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_...ndon_bombings),
which, given its collaborative nature, is presumed to tend towards an
accurate account of what most people believe happened (which may not,
of course, be what *actually* happened).

Regards,

Sid

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As far as I can tell from the reports, the explosions were on a
westbound train between Edgware Road and Paddington, a southbound train
between King's Cross and Russell Square, and a train between Liverpool
Street and Aldgate. The direction of travel of the last train is
unclear.

I've just seen a personal account of the last one and the train was
travelling from Liverpool Street toward Aldgate. Unusually the passengers
were evacuated forwards (past the bomb site) to Aldgate, rather than
backwards to Liverpool Street. This might have led to people assuming that
the trains was travelling from Aldgate to Liverpool Street.

wrote in message
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As far as I can tell from the reports, the explosions were on a
westbound train between Edgware Road and Paddington, a southbound train
between King's Cross and Russell Square, and a train between Liverpool
Street and Aldgate. The direction of travel of the last train is
unclear.

I have a friend who was on the north bound platform at Lv. St when the bomb
exploded and he says that it happened almost immediately after a southbound
train had left. He is adamant that the explosion was on that train. I have
pointed out that he only heard the bomb, not saw it, so it is possible that
it was on a northbound train yet to arrive at Lv. St. He still thinks that
could not be the case given the interval and the fact that my scenario would
likely have caused two trains to be involved.

Sorry, still not definitive but it's the best I can do. :-)
--
Malcolm

London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although looking
at the actual software system maps they used to show the location and
direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was headed for Aldgate
East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he got
on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off within
50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.



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Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

"Dockland" wrote in message
newsp.stnf8gztw13aik@stephen...
London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although looking
at the actual software system maps they used to show the location and
direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was headed for Aldgate
East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he got
on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off within
50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.

Interesting that the BBC still haven't corrected the times and directions on
their "definitive" map
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ml/default.stm.

I wonder how the times of the Edgware and KX bombs were initally reported so
accurately - but wrongly.

On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 15:08:30 +0100, Dockland
wrote:

London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although looking
at the actual software system maps they used to show the location and
direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was headed for Aldgate
East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he got
on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off within
50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.

We only have the computer system info for the two Circle line trains.
The train was definitely an outer rail circle heading for Aldgate. At
the point of what must have been the explosion we got a fair bit of
spurious data which shows up as extra tracks occupied. The piccadilly
confirmation apparently comes from the time the tunnel telephone went
down.

P

In article op.stnf8gztw13aik@stephen, (Dockland)
wrote:

London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although
looking at the actual software system maps they used to show the
location and direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was
headed for Aldgate East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he
got on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off
within 50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.

All this points to the theory that all the bombs were planted at King's
Cross, doesn't it?

--
Colin Rosenstiel