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In article , Ed Lake
writes I'm only assuming that the culprit is familiar with the way things happen at King's Cross. I'm assuming that he's gotten off the eastbound Circle line at the same time every weekday for years and knows that a westbound train arrives at the other side of the platform moments later. He also knows that as he's going up the elevator, a southbound Picadilly Line train arrives at an upper level. He's also away with the fairies, because that isn't how the station is arranged. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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In article .com,
Peter Vos writes Thanks for clarifying, I have been saying Euston as shorthand for Euston Square.... Well, stop it. I don't say "York" as shorthand for "New York". -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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21:31:00 on Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Colin Rosenstiel remarked: A factor not to ignore is that the are between the platforms isn't all open at King's Cross so not exactly cross-platform at the East end of the Met platforms. Indeed, and as I described at some length earlier. I was pretty sure the person describing the theory thought it was a simple island platform. But this is all academic if, as the police have said today, the explosions were all caused by suicide bombers. Yes, but before that news broke, it was still worthwhile trying to set the scene correctly. The theorists had some very strange ideas about the layout at the various parts of the KX complex. -- Roland Perry |
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![]() Clive D. W. Feather wrote: In article .com, Peter Vos writes Thanks for clarifying, I have been saying Euston as shorthand for Euston Square.... Well, stop it. I don't say "York" as shorthand for "New York". K ![]() |
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![]() Clive D. W. Feather wrote: In article .com, Peter Vos writes I saw a post saying the KX stop is the only stop on the Circle Line where trains in both directions are separated by an central island platform. This is wrong. Gloucester Road and South Kensington also meet this description. In addition, Edgware Road and Aldgate have two island platforms and Circle line trains use the outermost faces (usually but not required at the former, required at the latter). Outer Rail trains also have platforms on the right at Tower Hill and Mansion House. The question I have is how far would you have to travel in either direction from KX before the doors that open at KX would be used again? Edgware Road (see above) and Aldgate. Kind of odd coincidence the bombs went off there. But examining your detailed layout it actually looks like the bombs went off right around Aldgate Junction and Praed Street Junction. Is that true? If true, it suggests a significantly higher level of research beyond merely riding the trains and checking out TfL maps. I would guess 99% or more of riders who actually transit those junctions never think about them. If it was actually intended, then scheduling becomes more relevant because you have to pick two trains that will simultaneously hit the junctions. Hard to believe it was simple dumb luck. If you have that kind of planning and since they are now saying one bomber per train, I wonder why they didn't hop off at Edgware Road and Liverpool Street while leaving the packages behind. The Piccadilly bomber didn't even have to be on the 311. He could have dropped the bomb in the luggage vestibule at KXSP or simply tossed it in as the doors closed. Curiouser and curiouser. Would you get as far as Edgware and Liverpool? No. Circle Line trains don't go to either. Now yer bein' churlish.... Edgware ROAD and Liverpool STREET I think the proclivity for abbr. is a cultural thing. In the US we abbr. everything. It's not New York City... it's New York.. or The City. It's not Washington D.C. ... its DC. It's not the United States of America .... it's the US. We don't watch television, but we love our TV. We don't abuse prisoners at Guantanamo Bay... we hold em at Gitmo. etc etc. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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"Peter Vos" wrote in message
oups.com... If true, it suggests a significantly higher level of research beyond merely riding the trains and checking out TfL maps. I would guess 99% or more of riders who actually transit those junctions never think about them. If it was actually intended, then scheduling becomes more relevant because you have to pick two trains that will simultaneously hit the junctions. Hard to believe it was simple dumb luck. Even if they had access to the current timetables, the realities of the Underground (especially the Circle Line) mean that there is still little chance that the trains will actually get to the junctions at the advertised time. I just find it implausible that the bombers could choose a specific time and then be able to be in the chosen spots within a 50-second window. One other thing strikes me as strange. If we assume the Picc bomber got on the train at King's Cross, this was only probably a minute or two before the time of explosion. If the bomb *had* to go off at 0851 he was cutting things very fine, as all it would have needed was a gap in the service and things would not have gone according to plan. ISTR that the Picc was disrupted at the time - perhaps this was a factor. |
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"Peter Vos" typed
Now yer bein' churlish.... Edgware ROAD and Liverpool STREET I think the proclivity for abbr. is a cultural thing. In the US we abbr. everything. It's not New York City... it's New York.. or The City. It's not Washington D.C. ... its DC. It's not the United States of America .... it's the US. We don't watch television, but we love our TV. We don't abuse prisoners at Guantanamo Bay... we hold em at Gitmo. etc etc. Abbreviation is fine if it does not induce ambiguity, or mislead. I repeat: Edgware ROAD is NOT Edgware and I have had to reassure concerned friends that I was many miles from any bombs. Liverpool Street is NOT Liverpool. Tottenham Court Road is NOT Tottenham. Abbreviate the former as 'TCR' and I'm happy; abbreviate it as 'Tottenham' and you're LOST! -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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In message .com,
Peter Vos writes If it was actually intended, then scheduling becomes more relevant because you have to pick two trains that will simultaneously hit the junctions. Hard to believe it was simple dumb luck. The bombs were almost certainly detonated manually. The police have said that no timing devices have been found in the remains. If you have that kind of planning and since they are now saying one bomber per train, I wonder why they didn't hop off at Edgware Road and Liverpool Street while leaving the packages behind. Dying for "the cause" was an important part of the entire mission. -- Paul Terry |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:40:23 +0100, "David Splett"
wrote: "Peter Vos" wrote in message roups.com... If true, it suggests a significantly higher level of research beyond merely riding the trains and checking out TfL maps. I would guess 99% or more of riders who actually transit those junctions never think about them. If it was actually intended, then scheduling becomes more relevant because you have to pick two trains that will simultaneously hit the junctions. Hard to believe it was simple dumb luck. Even if they had access to the current timetables, the realities of the Underground (especially the Circle Line) mean that there is still little chance that the trains will actually get to the junctions at the advertised time. I just find it implausible that the bombers could choose a specific time and then be able to be in the chosen spots within a 50-second window. Precisely. One other thing strikes me as strange. If we assume the Picc bomber got on the train at King's Cross, this was only probably a minute or two before the time of explosion. If the bomb *had* to go off at 0851 he was cutting things very fine, as all it would have needed was a gap in the service and things would not have gone according to plan. ISTR that the Picc was disrupted at the time - perhaps this was a factor. Do you think they actually cared where the bombs went off? The objective - assuming the current theories as to who it was - was to kill people and to achieve martyrdom. At 08.50 on a weekday you can achieve that virtually anywhere on the London public transport network in Zone 1. I still do not understand the need for the amazing amount of speculation and theorizing. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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