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Paul Corfield typed
I still do not understand the need for the amazing amount of speculation and theorizing. Agreed. See my other posting. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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In message , Paul Corfield
writes I still do not understand the need for the amazing amount of speculation and theorizing. Human nature. Surely you don't expect people to sit back and say nothing more than "I expect we'll find out all about it when the official report comes out and the officials tell us what happened"? People have enquiring minds and want to test their ideas and theories by communicating with others. I see nothing wrong in that. Do you? -- Paul Terry |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article m, (Roland Perry) wrote: Yes, but before that news broke, it was still worthwhile trying to set the scene correctly. The theorists had some very strange ideas about the layout at the various parts of the KX complex. Can you get treatment for that? Not on the NHS. -- Mike Bristow - really a very good driver |
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:40:32 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote: In message , Paul Corfield writes I still do not understand the need for the amazing amount of speculation and theorizing. Human nature. Surely you don't expect people to sit back and say nothing more than "I expect we'll find out all about it when the official report comes out and the officials tell us what happened"? I'm obviously not human then. I can fully understand people discussing privately how they feel or perhaps commenting on facts released by the police or by TfL. I genuinely see no value in people trying to speculate on whether you can chuck bombs on Circle Line trains from opposing platforms at Kings Cross or how quickly you can dash to the Piccadilly Line. It's over and done with - what does knowing or speculating add to anyone's future journey plans? Is Kings Cross station going to be redesigned to prevent people moving too quickly from one platform to another just in case someone might decide to place bombs? - I hardly think so. People placing bombs in any public place is a risk that many, many people have to live with to varying degrees of probability. Our world and our lives are not going to be redesigned to try to make them bomb proof. Given that the Police appear to be saying that these were suicide bombers why are people still talking about the possibilities of there being one bomber? That discussion has been overtaken by events. People have enquiring minds and want to test their ideas and theories by communicating with others. I see nothing wrong in that. Do you? I think it is pointless in this particular context. I'm obviously just odd. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:40:32 +0100, Paul Terry wrote: People have enquiring minds and want to test their ideas and theories by communicating with others. I see nothing wrong in that. Do you? I think it is pointless in this particular context. It's pointless in the sense that others have more information and will reach valid conclusions more certainly and quickly (as the police did). But I can understand people wanting to understand how it happened, in the same way that people do whenever there's a railway accident. What ****ed me off was people with little real knowledge of the Underground thrashing around in ignorance as though they were the only ones qualified to produce some credible theories (all of which turned out to be wrong anyway). I'm obviously just odd. Compared to many of the people cross-posting to this NG since last Thursday, you are decidedly even! -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Paul Corfield a écrit : I still do not understand the need for the amazing amount of speculation and theorizing. I can fully understand people discussing privately how they feel or perhaps commenting on facts released by the police or by TfL. I genuinely see no value in people trying to speculate on whether you can chuck bombs on Circle Line trains from opposing platforms at Kings Cross or how quickly you can dash to the Piccadilly Line. I'm obviously just odd. Well, that makes us even, then ![]() Not to mention that the ones who speculated the most (and felt entitled to write quite authoritatively on what could and what could not have been, what was more likely and less likely, etc.) turned out to be also the most clueless about the Underground! |
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In message , Paul Corfield
writes It's over and done with - what does knowing or speculating add to anyone's future journey plans? It doesn't. But this newsgroup is not just about journey plans - it has often included speculative discussion such as "what if the Aldwych branch were to be re-opened and extended to Waterloo". As Richard says, it is only natural that people want to understand how the events of last week happened, especially given the prominent role that London's Transport plays in most of our lives. I would be much more worried if everyone thought that such events should not be discussed here until some official report finally appeared in the distant future. Given that the Police appear to be saying that these were suicide bombers why are people still talking about the possibilities of there being one bomber? I think it is important to realise that most of the wilder and more inaccurate speculation comes from articles posted to alt.conspiracy, which have also been cross-posted here. Unfortunately, many of these lack the sound knowledge of London's transport system normally found in u.t.l. - and many are also not aware of the up-to-date information that we see here in London. -- Paul Terry |
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Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Helen Deborah Vecht remarked: Liverpool Street is NOT Liverpool. But Liverpool Lime Street is! (Keeping on a transport topic). Tourists at places where trains go to both LS and LLS (and I believe there was one such pair of trains timed to depart Cambridge at the exact same time) often do get confused. -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:49:24 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote: In message , Paul Corfield writes It's over and done with - what does knowing or speculating add to anyone's future journey plans? It doesn't. But this newsgroup is not just about journey plans - it has often included speculative discussion such as "what if the Aldwych branch were to be re-opened and extended to Waterloo". Yes I know all that. It just seems indecent to me that people are making ignorant statements when the dead have not yet been recovered. Perhaps I'm being oversensitive but discussion about extending the whatever line to wherever tends not to have over 50 dead people as the backdrop. As Richard says, it is only natural that people want to understand how the events of last week happened, especially given the prominent role that London's Transport plays in most of our lives. Yes - *understand* how they happened with that understanding being based on the facts. Not invent 2,537 different theories about them. I would be much more worried if everyone thought that such events should not be discussed here until some official report finally appeared in the distant future. Well to be completely fair I think there is a good flow of information emerging from different sources. I think it needs to be understood that there is no point in people "over promising" in terms of what can be done and by when. The incident is also unprecedented so there is an element of new ground and new issues being covered. The only time that the full picture truly does emerge is when an official report does get published. That should also identify the issues and propose actions that are hopefully pragmatic and affordable. Thankfully we have not had politicians running round making promises they have no intention of keeping. My own preference would be for people to take a calmer, more considered view and to wait to hear from those authorities who can speak definitively. I'm sure 99% of people will take no notice of that though as the alternative is just too titillating and exciting. Given that the Police appear to be saying that these were suicide bombers why are people still talking about the possibilities of there being one bomber? I think it is important to realise that most of the wilder and more inaccurate speculation comes from articles posted to alt.conspiracy, which have also been cross-posted here. Unfortunately, many of these lack the sound knowledge of London's transport system normally found in u.t.l. - and many are also not aware of the up-to-date information that we see here in London. I am obviously aware that the "loony squad" have been crossposting. Trying to ignore their nonsense is not a particularly palatable exercise. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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