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Paul Corfield wrote:
The only time that the full picture truly does emerge is when an official report does get published. Meanwhile, Tim O'Toole's statement to the TfL Board yesterday, which is at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=432 is a useful summary of what happened, including details that some people may not yet be aware of, as well as deserved praise well expressed. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In message , Paul Corfield
writes My own preference would be for people to take a calmer, more considered view and to wait to hear from those authorities who can speak definitively. This returns to the issue of human nature. The vast numbers who travel on London's transport system are surely entitled to probe what might have happened. It is not really in the British nature to be content to merely "wait to hear from authorities" - they may eventually come up with a definitive report, but most of us like to use our own minds and intelligence (as well-informed as we can manage), rather than just to depend on the great and good to tell us what happened. While I appreciate your sensitivities about the unburied, no amount of speculation is going to change their fate, but sensible debate may lead the living to understand better what happened - and perhaps even to evaluate more meaningfully what the "authorities" eventually decide to tell us. In short, I don't think that wishing to limit discussion is particularly helpful - and in any democracy, if you allow discussion, you will find the extremists, ignorant and loonies all pitching in. No matter, most of us can sort the sheep from the goats. I am obviously aware that the "loony squad" have been crossposting. Trying to ignore their nonsense is not a particularly palatable exercise. I find "kill thread" continues to work well. -- Paul Terry |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:33:51 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: Paul Corfield wrote: The only time that the full picture truly does emerge is when an official report does get published. Meanwhile, Tim O'Toole's statement to the TfL Board yesterday, which is at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=432 is a useful summary of what happened, including details that some people may not yet be aware of, as well as deserved praise well expressed. Agreed. Well worth a read, -- Terry Harper Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:25:03 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote: In message , Paul Corfield writes My own preference would be for people to take a calmer, more considered view and to wait to hear from those authorities who can speak definitively. This returns to the issue of human nature. The vast numbers who travel on London's transport system are surely entitled to probe what might have happened. It is not really in the British nature to be content to merely "wait to hear from authorities" - they may eventually come up with a definitive report, but most of us like to use our own minds and intelligence (as well-informed as we can manage), rather than just to depend on the great and good to tell us what happened. Actually, I think that it is entirely within the "British nature" to wait for a fuller picture, but some sections of the media and the usual crackpot conspiracy brigade have gone into overdrive with a childish and unreasonable, "I want to know everything NOW!" attitude. It's only a week after the event, and to expect a complete picture at this stage is unreasonable, to put it mildly, even given the remarkable porogress the police have4 made so far. -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War: http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm 625-Online - classic British television: http://www.625.org.uk 'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic: http://www.thingstocome.org.uk |
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Peter Vos writes Kind of odd coincidence the bombs went off there. But examining your detailed layout it actually looks like the bombs went off right around Aldgate Junction and Praed Street Junction. Is that true? Near, not at. In the latter case, I believe the train was only just leaving Edgware Road and hadn't got near the junction. If true, it suggests a significantly higher level of research beyond merely riding the trains and checking out TfL maps. Not really: the junctions are obvious from the maps and from riding the trains. If it was actually intended, then scheduling becomes more relevant because you have to pick two trains that will simultaneously hit the junctions. But they didn't, and in any case it isn't predictable on a day-to-day basis. I wonder why they didn't hop off at Edgware Road and Liverpool Street while leaving the packages behind. That's a different question which we may never know the answer to. Would you get as far as Edgware and Liverpool? No. Circle Line trains don't go to either. Now yer bein' churlish.... Edgware ROAD and Liverpool STREET I think the proclivity for abbr. is a cultural thing. In the US we abbr. everything. In the UK we don't, particularly when it matters. Near me is a station where trains go from the same platform to Liverpool Street and to Liverpool. Liverpool Lime Street, to be precise. Details matter. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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In article , Richard J.
writes I think it is pointless in this particular context. It's pointless in the sense that others have more information and will reach valid conclusions more certainly and quickly (as the police did). But I can understand people wanting to understand how it happened, in the same way that people do whenever there's a railway accident. Every evening down the pub thousands of people discuss ways in which - for example - Manchester United Football Club could be run. Those discussions are equally pointless, yet nobody says they shouldn't be held. Think of this as a virtual pub for LT enthusiasts. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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In article m, Roland
Perry writes But Liverpool Lime Street is! (Keeping on a transport topic). Tourists at places where trains go to both LS and LLS "LLS" being London Liverpool Street, I presume? [I won't get my coat, because it's too hot.] -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:33:51 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: Paul Corfield wrote: The only time that the full picture truly does emerge is when an official report does get published. Meanwhile, Tim O'Toole's statement to the TfL Board yesterday, which is at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=432 is a useful summary of what happened, including details that some people may not yet be aware of, as well as deserved praise well expressed. I have to say that as both a commuter and an amateur researcher into certain aspects of LU's history, I have been very impressed with Tim O'Toole in the last nine days, not just in his obvious leadership qualities essential at a time like this, but also for his unstinting support for his staff, and his efforts to explain a very complex situation, unfortunately largely to a media that seems intent on deliberately misunderstanding those explanations for the sake of a "good story." It beggared belief, after watching some of the press conference he did with the Met and the BTP, live with one's own eyes, seeing them subsequently being distorted out of all recognition by the press. -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War: http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm 625-Online - classic British television: http://www.625.org.uk 'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic: http://www.thingstocome.org.uk |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
Think of this as a virtual pub for LT enthusiasts. That should go in the charter! tom -- taxidermy, high tide marks, sabotage, markets, folklore, subverting, . |
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