On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:30:13 GMT, wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:00:06 -0400, Sarah Czepiel
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:34:44 -0400, America the Beautiful
wrote:



Uncle Fester wrote:

America the Beautiful wrote



Whenever. It'll be interesting to see California rise up against the
rest of you.

Like that would ever happen..




How many nuclear bunkers are sold in the US annually ?

Beats me. I didn't know there was a market for them. But that has
something to do with California because?





Plenty of your fellow merkins are not convinced that California won't
rise up against them.

Because they won't, Stupid. And why would they?

Eeesh Chris! From where did you drag up this retard, Uncle Fester?

TV's Addams Family, of course. His mentality is precisely parallel to
that of their "Uncle Fester.".

WebTV snicker

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:42:26 GMT, Gerard wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:46:14 +0100, Uncle Fester
wrote:

Gerard wrote


You really didn't have any choice in the matter, it was we who said,
"**** Off!" The question now is "Why do you strive so hard to be like
us..."


No Englishman wants to be like you.

But you have no choice you see -- just as before.

We've no wish to be fat,

You rotten teeth don't permit you to eat enough food to be fat ( I
use the word "food" with reservation when speaking of what Brits eat.
You are the only people on earth who can turn perfectly good food
stuffs into **** without running it through intestines.

ignorant,

We lead the world in Nobel Prize winners -- How many do you have?How
many do you have?

cowardly ****s like you lot.

Remember WWII?


That would be the war that was being fought and won for several years
before you wandered in to the fray.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 01:07:03 GMT, Gerard wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:48:55 +1000, Little Kenny Fehrett
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:07:02 GMT, Gerard wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:29:33 +0100, "Loony Tune"
wrote:

Now correct me if I'm wrong, and as I'm sure your read gutter newspapers and
listen to Bush backed news TV, you will, who shot the most amount of GB
soldiers in both Desert Storm I and II? Do you want a clue ****-wit? Well
they begin with U ends in A and has S in the middle. And just in case your
illiteracy means you can't decipher that, it's USA prick. Now **** off back
to you trailer park and shag your sister or what ever else you do to you
family and animals.

An investigation into the friendly fire incidents determined that
those allies killed where support personnel, i.e., clerks, messmen and
utility workers who strayed from the British compound and some how
ended up on the fringes of a free fire zone. We are really sorry about
your loss but we are not responsible for the poor training of other
non-combatants of other nation's armed forces.


BTW - I would call you a prick but it's part of a man so you really
don't qualify, ****.

ooooh, diddums, Gerald becomes really cross when he's caught out in a
lie.

It's the truth, boy. Your people were in an area that they were not
qualified to be in: The Combat Zone! Simple as that.



Loony T

Yes, you truly are.

"are not!" "are too!" - Gerald raises the debate to a new height (by
merkin standards)

I was agreeing that the boy is "looney." You have a real problem
dealing with the truth don't you, boy?




"Gerard" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:38:01 +0100, "Loony Tune"
wrote:

Well knowing how the Americans fire, they'll end up nuking Australia!!

We haven't blown up any of your trains or buses. "Who is doing it"
though is the problem you arrogant ****s need to be focused on. Not
showing your "arses" trying to insult "YANKS" who take your intended
barbs and cram them down your tea sipping throats and continue to
laugh at your feeble efforts to embarrass your betters.

"The History of the present King [George] is a history of repeated
Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the
Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States... He has
erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers
to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance... He has affected
to render the Military independent of, and superior to the Civil
Power. He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction
foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving
his Assent to their Acts of pretended legislation: For quartering
large Bodies of Armed Troops among us; For protecting them, by a mock
Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit... For
depriving us in many cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury... For
transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences... He
has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and
destroyed the Lives of our People... In every stage of these
Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms:
Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A
Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a
Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People."

-Declaration of Independence, Philadelphia, July 4, 1776



Loony T

No one will question that.

I'm certainly pushing your buttons aren't I Gerald

Sarah Czepiel wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:34:44 -0400, America the Beautiful
wrote:



Uncle Fester wrote:


America the Beautiful wrote




Whenever. It'll be interesting to see California rise up against the
rest of you.

Like that would ever happen..




How many nuclear bunkers are sold in the US annually ?

Beats me. I didn't know there was a market for them. But that has
something to do with California because?





Plenty of your fellow merkins are not convinced that California won't
rise up against them.

Because they won't, Stupid. And why would they?


Eeesh Chris! From where did you drag up this retard, Uncle Fester?

I don't know. It must be that time of year again when their governments
let them play on the computer for a short time. Funny how he tries to
trounce us Americans with his screen name of a great American icon Uncle
Fester.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom."
God Bless America.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:55:58 -0400, America the Beautiful
wrote:



Sarah Czepiel wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:34:44 -0400, America the Beautiful
wrote:



Uncle Fester wrote:


America the Beautiful wrote




Whenever. It'll be interesting to see California rise up against the
rest of you.

Like that would ever happen..




How many nuclear bunkers are sold in the US annually ?

Beats me. I didn't know there was a market for them. But that has
something to do with California because?





Plenty of your fellow merkins are not convinced that California won't
rise up against them.

Because they won't, Stupid. And why would they?


Eeesh Chris! From where did you drag up this retard, Uncle Fester?

I don't know. It must be that time of year again when their governments
let them play on the computer for a short time. Funny how he tries to
trounce us Americans with his screen name of a great American icon Uncle
Fester.

I wonder if he's a rotund fatty like Uncle Fester?

America the Beautiful wrote:

Greg Procter wrote:

Chris, little speckled idiot, I told you a couple of years ago that this sort of
thing would happen, but no, you claimed "Pakestan is right behind us, now they
are a democracy". sheesh

Yes I did tell you they are behind us and they are.

You're paranoid and yet you think Pakestan is behind you - there's no hope for you.

The problem is that
they can't patrol that region

Of course they can't "patrol" sheesh

and Paki law say's we can't either.


You want to start a war with your only friends in the region? double sheesh


America the Beautiful wrote:


Stung in an Afghan 'hornets' nest'

A routine mission for a small unit of US troops based here turned into a
fight for their lives when they came up against a group of suspected
Taleban militants along the border with Pakistan.

It did not make any headlines. It was just another incident among many
in this volatile region.

But it gives an insight into why the US-led coalition is having such
difficulty defeating the insurgency that has affected much of eastern
and southern Afghanistan for the past two years.

It was 25 June. Second Lt Louis Fernandez had led seven members of his
platoon to the top of Peak 2911.

A distinctive, bulging mountain straddling the frontier, it gets its
name from its height in metres.

QUICK GUIDE

Afghanistan

The night before, a US artillery battery had shelled the peak after
lights had been seen there.

The suspicion was that insurgents might be using it as a launch site to
fire rockets on American and Afghan troops - an almost daily occurrence
for units based along the border.

'Taking fire'

Lt Fernandez and his men from the 2/504 Parachute Infantry Regiment,
part of the 82nd Airborne Division, had been ordered to do a "battle
damage assessment", to see if anything had been hit.

An Afghan officer, Capt Mohammed Islamuddin, and two interpreters were
with them.

They found nothing except a well-travelled trail. They decided to follow
it. As they moved down the path, Capt Islamuddin says he spotted a man
in local clothes about 200-300 metres away, carrying a Kalashnikov.

Staff Sgt McKenna Miller says he saw another man near some trees raising
his Kalashnikov.

Sgt Miller raised his weapon. "I asked for permission to fire."

"I told Sgt Miller to shoot," says 22-year-old Lt Fernandez. "He pulled
the trigger and hit the guy right in the head and put him down.

"Immediately after, we started taking fire from another direction," he
says.

"That's when pretty much everything unravelled," says Sgt Miller, a
veteran of Iraq and the Balkans.

They realised they were up against "not two, but approximately 15 to 20
individuals", with a barrage of fire coming down on the US and Afghan
troops.

Where they were though, there was almost no cover. The only escape was
to move back towards the summit, the soldiers taking it in turns to
provide covering fire while others scrambled up the slope, fighting for
breath in the thin air at this altitude.

"I was starting to pray as I was running back," says Sgt Juan Carlos
Coca, the unit's radio operator. "There were rounds flying everywhere."

"We were definitely fighting for our lives," says Sgt Miller.

Pursuers' advantage

For Sgt Coca, this is his second time in Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne.

In between, he was also in Iraq, in southern Baghdad.

"I expected this to be the easiest deployment of the three," he admits.
"But so far it's been the hardest. We've basically come to a hornets'
nest, here on the border with Pakistan."

The paratroopers say they were firing constantly to try to keep their
assailants back.

But "we were getting surrounded", says Sgt Coca. "And we had no comms at
all. The mountain was blocking radio signals, so they couldn't call for
back-up.

In this terrain, their pursuers had the advantage.

"They move a lot faster on these mountains than we do," says Lt Fernandez.

"They know all the routes. And they're just in better shape when it
comes to this. They're carrying no weight. We're carrying about 60 or 70
pounds (27kg-31kg) of equipment, so we're a lot slower."

Their lightly loaded attackers came closer and closer.

"They got within 20 or 30 metres," says Lt Fernandez. "You could see
those little tan hats they wear.

"We were hugging the dirt, most of the time just praying to God that He
was there for us. And He was definitely there for us, to just have one
guy take a ricochet round, with the amount of fire they were putting
down on us."

That one guy was Pte Ted Smith. A round hit him in the face, but went
straight through his cheek. "Blood was just pouring out of him," says
Sgt Miller, "but he just kept on firing."

Fortress

Pte Smith is expected to return to duty here soon at Camp Tillman -
named after Pat Tillman, the American footballer who famously turned
down millions of dollars to join the US military after 11 September but
who died in a "friendly fire" incident in Afghanistan in April last year.

When you visit this small, heavily defended redoubt, it conjures up
images of old French Foreign Legion fortresses deep in hostile North
African rebel territory.

Just across the border from the base - which sits near a tiny hamlet of
mud-brick houses - is the Pakistani tribal area of Waziristan.

That has long regarded as one of the main areas where Taleban and also
al Qaeda militants have been sheltering. There have been reports of
Osama Bin Laden hiding there.

Although Pakistani forces were involved in bloody clashes with some of
these groups last year, there are concerns that many still remain and
have even bolstered their numbers.

Based on intelligence received afterwards, the US soldiers believe they
killed eight of their attackers. But talking about the fire fight to the
BBC a few days later, all of them say they were lucky not to have lost
anyone.

When they finally reached higher ground and safety "we were totally out
of breath, we could barely speak. We had almost no ammunition left,"
says Lt Fernandez, who was also inspired by 9/11 to join the forces. He
signed up on 14 September 2001.

Up here, Sgt Coca could get through on the radio, to call for air support.

A-10 aircraft arrived. But the soldiers say the pilots were not
permitted to open fire with their machine gun, or drop any ordnance
because the militants were in Pakistani territory.

"That just totally frustrates all of us," says Sgt Coca. "It's easy for
the enemy to shoot at us here in Afghanistan and then they just run a
couple of hundred metres into Pakistan and we can't do anything. They're
untouchable.

"We have that problem all the time," he says.

Sgt Miller agrees: "That's their safe haven, because they know that we
can't go over the border and they try to use that to their advantage."

The exact rules of engagement for US forces based along the border are
secret.

But it is clear from reports of different American operations that they
do have some leeway.

And at times during the battle at Peak 2911, this US unit did end up in
Pakistani territory.

But American troops are not allowed to chase attackers across the border.

Lt Fernandez says if they are "in pursuit of an enemy" they sometimes
call Pakistani government forces on the other side.

But asked if US forces here feel they get help from the Pakistanis, he
says: "I can't say that we do. No, not really."

Madrassas

Capt Islamuddin is more blunt. "Pakistan is interfering in Afghanistan.
They are sending the bad guys here. They say there are cooperating, but
they are not."

Capt Islamuddin has been based on the border with his 3rd Battalion for
the past five months and says he has seen many clashes. "Many of them
are foreigners," he says, "not Afghans."

It is a claim Afghan government officials often make about those behind
the attacks across the south and east.

But the evidence is often hard to find. Asked to give more detail, Capt
Islamuddin says he has seen the bodies of many militants close up after
battles he has been involved in.

"There are some stupid Afghans among them," he says. "But most of them
are Waziris [from Pakistan's Waziristan tribal agency], Chechens and
Arabs. They are all coming from the madrassas [religious schools] in
Pakistan."

Officially, the US military says Pakistan is cooperating closely with
its efforts to defeat the insurgency and US generals frequently praise
their counterparts across the border.

That is not how it appears to those on the frontline, to the young US
and Afghan troops actually doing the fighting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4657645.stm

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom."
God Bless America.



--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom."
God Bless America.

"Uncle Fester" wrote in message
enews.net...
Gerard wrote


You really didn't have any choice in the matter, it was we who said,
"**** Off!" The question now is "Why do you strive so hard to be like
us..."


No Englishman wants to be like you. We've no wish to be fat, ignorant,
cowardly ****s like you lot.



I think the Brits had it right 200 odd years ago. Send the convicts to one
end the world and the incurably insane to the other. Just goes to prove that
criminals can be rehabilitated but the mad just stay mad. IT'S IN THE GENES.

Loony T

"Uncle Fester" wrote in message
enews.net...
wrote


You know like you UKer's are not trusted AT
ALL with firearms or pointed objects...


When we need to play with guns, we've proved to be pretty good with
them. You lot start with 'Drive By Shooting' and never improve. Is
'Shooting in the back' on your school curriculum?





LO very L.

Loony T

And all you have to worry about is Muslim terrorist killing you at
will because your whole society has it's head up its ARSE! I suspect
it won't be too many years passing before you'll be whining for the US
to let all the " Western European Englishmen" immigrate to the United
States as you turn your country over to the Muslims.


Just remember that you too have had a small problem with Muslim terrorists.
Errrrrrrrrr it was September the something wasn't it? Oooh and that wasn't
the first time was it? Time for you to top up the medication and go back to
your little padded cell. Night night

Loony T

wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:32:10 +0100, Uncle Fester
wrote:


wrote



BTW -- You citizenry really should try to rid itself of its
cowardliness. You can only repel violence with violence; "I do believe
that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I
would advise violence." --Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi."


Didn't work in Vietnam did it, nor Samalia, prolly be adding Iraq to the
list in a while.


Didn't lose in Vietnam. After beating the VC and the North Vietnamese
army to a pulp
After getting chased the length of the country, won the war in a few
films afterwards!


we turned the fighting over to the South Vietnamese to
protect their own interest and left.
From the roof of the merkin embassy by helicopter, nice day trip out!
Face it, you'd had enough of an arse-kicking, and handled over to some
boy scouts.
Somalia (not correct spelling,
idiot) was a peace keeping action, please try to keep up.
Saddam will shortly be on trial for his life, Iraq has a freely
elected government -- WE WON.

You were welcomed into the spiders parlour, where they bite you daily.
Caught chief spider, but all his babies still **** all over your hi-tech
war. You lost, roll on Rambo 8, 9 and 10 subtitled "How we whooped
Sadaam' 'How the Oil was won' '****, we're out of here'



Tell me - have you won any wars on your own recently?


Yes. We stomped a mud hole in the "arse" of the British not that long
ago.

Where was that then? When you backed us so fully in the Falklands? How
many troops did you send?