On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:22:06 GMT, "Peter Lawrence"
wrote:



I'm especially intrigued by the Smithfield GW goods station, which I
presume was under the meat market itself.

It is now an underground car park; its approach ramp from West
Smithfield is that built for the goods station.

I've also heard of a rowdy
boozer located in the bowels of the market, patronised by the market
workers, which if it's still open I might try and explore when I'm
feeling brave!

Dunno about that - I have never dared to explore the car park or had
need to use it.

It's a fairly innocuous well lit place usually attended by one guy in
the kiosk. I've never been challenged even going backwards and
forwards to the car repeatedly whilst servicing in nearby St. Bart's
Hospital.

There's a pedestrian entrance in the wall a few paces down the ramp
which opens onto a footbridge which nowadays only spans a couple of
rows of parked cars. AFAICS that's all that remains of it's railway
origins, save that trains can still be heard through the walls.

DG

In article , Roland
Perry writes
in the middle the "Post Office" after which today's St Paul's station
was originally named. The station building itself is shown to the north
of Newgate St; today probably in the middle of a traffic island next to
the entrance to the BT HQ.

Isn't it now the "Dental Centre" just beside the church?

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In article , Jock Mackirdy
writes
I think
the line is virtually level from Farringdon to the start of the "new"
incline and
the relocated bridge over Queen Victoria Street.

It's always felt distinctly downhill from the Snow Hill sidings to the
south end of City Thameslink station.

However, we've got drivers on that route reading this group; perhaps
they can comment.

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In message , at 08:45:39 on Mon, 25
Jul 2005, Clive D. W. Feather remarked:
in the middle the "Post Office" after which today's St Paul's station
was originally named. The station building itself is shown to the
north of Newgate St; today probably in the middle of a traffic island
next to the entrance to the BT HQ.

Isn't it now the "Dental Centre" just beside the church?

I'm going by aerial photos that show a much enlarged road junction, with
a large triangular traffic island to the west. (View from north).

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/postoffice.jpg

If the old map is accurate, and the station building was next to the
original alignment of Newgate Street, then the station would surely be
under the traffic island, or the road between the island and the church.
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Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:45:39 on Mon,
25 Jul 2005, Clive D. W. Feather
remarked:
in the middle the "Post Office" after which today's St Paul's
station was originally named. The station building itself is shown
to the north of Newgate St; today probably in the middle of a
traffic island next to the entrance to the BT HQ.

Isn't it now the "Dental Centre" just beside the church?

I'm going by aerial photos that show a much enlarged road junction,
with a large triangular traffic island to the west. (View from north).

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/postoffice.jpg

If the old map is accurate, and the station building was next to the
original alignment of Newgate Street, then the station would surely be
under the traffic island, or the road between the island and the
church.

In London's Secret Tubes, Andrew Emmerson & Tony Beard published by Capital
Transport Publishing Post Office Station is referred to on page 104 in
reference to the late 30's rebuilding.

start quote
Two years later a new entrance was created.........
The old booking hall and lifts at a point several hundered yards west on the
corner of Newgate St and King Edward St were closed.....
end quote
There are a couple of pictures of the bomb damaged station building and a
reference to Oct 1999 London Railway Record (No.21) which confirms the
location as at the junction and has a few pictures of the building.


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In article , John Shelley wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:45:39 on Mon,
25 Jul 2005, Clive D. W. Feather
remarked:
in the middle the "Post Office" after which today's St Paul's
station was originally named. The station building itself is shown
to the north of Newgate St; today probably in the middle of a
traffic island next to the entrance to the BT HQ.

Isn't it now the "Dental Centre" just beside the church?

I'm going by aerial photos that show a much enlarged road junction,
with a large triangular traffic island to the west. (View from north).

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/postoffice.jpg

If the old map is accurate, and the station building was next to the
original alignment of Newgate Street, then the station would surely be
under the traffic island, or the road between the island and the
church.

In London's Secret Tubes, Andrew Emmerson & Tony Beard published by Capital
Transport Publishing Post Office Station is referred to on page 104 in
reference to the late 30's rebuilding.

start quote
Two years later a new entrance was created.........
The old booking hall and lifts at a point several hundered yards west on the
corner of Newgate St and King Edward St were closed.....
end quote
There are a couple of pictures of the bomb damaged station building and a
reference to Oct 1999 London Railway Record (No.21) which confirms the
location as at the junction and has a few pictures of the building.

"Rails Through the Clay" mentions the deep shelters, for which the old station
entrance may have provided access, but says the one at St Pauls was abandoned
part-built because of fears for the foundations of the cathedral. The deep
shelter at Chancery Lane was built. It became the GPO's Kingsway Trunk
Exchange, using the original station entrance.

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Jock Mackirdy
Bedford

"Jock Mackirdy" wrote in message
...
In article .com, Mizter
T wrote:

Most interesting. But what is the line in a tunnel that appears to lead
from Holdborn Viaduct Low-level station under Smithfields meat market
to Aldersgate (now Barbican) station?

The access to Smithfield GW goods station, Whitecross Street Midland goods
station and the Widened Lines to Moorgate.

If you can lay hands on a copy of 'Lost Lines around London 4' made by
Online Video, it includes interesting footage of the Smithfield Market in
use and the way it looked in 1997.
http://www.transportdiversions.com/p...asp?pubid=5152

HTH,
Nick

In message , Clive D. W. Feather
writes
In article , Roland
Perry writes
in the middle the "Post Office" after which today's St Paul's station
was originally named. The station building itself is shown to the
north of Newgate St; today probably in the middle of a traffic island
next to the entrance to the BT HQ.

Isn't it now the "Dental Centre" just beside the church?

Yes (although other things occupy it as well).
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"It's always felt distinctly downhill from the Snow Hill sidings to the

south end of City Thameslink station.

However, we've got drivers on that route reading this group; perhaps
they can comment."

The overall gradient from Farringdon to the bottom of the bank to
Blackfriars is probably about level, but with some lumps and bumps...

From Farringdon, there's a bit of a dip and then a hump around the exit
from Smithfield Sidings. This falls down, as you can feel, into the
start of City Thameslink platform.

There is then a more gradual hump through the length of the station,
dipping down again just at the bottom of the bank before rising
sharply. This is from memory, I think its about right!

In article , Roland
Perry writes
in the middle the "Post Office" after which today's St Paul's station
was originally named. The station building itself is shown to the
north of Newgate St; today probably in the middle of a traffic island
next to the entrance to the BT HQ.
Isn't it now the "Dental Centre" just beside the church?

If the old map is accurate, and the station building was next to the
original alignment of Newgate Street, then the station would surely be
under the traffic island, or the road between the island and the church.

Annoyingly, I'm not going to be visiting that BT office for a few weeks,
but I'll keep my eyes open when I do.

In the meanwhile, let me point at
http://www.davros.org/rail/lobo/cards/postoffice.html

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