In message , at 21:28:19 on Fri,
22 Jul 2005, Theo Markettos
remarked:

http://www.loveplums.co.uk/Tube/HolbornViaduct.html

The map at the top of the page shows two other much discussed topics.

At the bottom of the map, the route of the Waterloo and City line, and
in the middle the "Post Office" after which today's St Paul's station
was originally named. The station building itself is shown to the north
of Newgate St; today probably in the middle of a traffic island next to
the entrance to the BT HQ.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:28:19 on Fri,
22 Jul 2005, Theo Markettos
remarked:

http://www.loveplums.co.uk/Tube/HolbornViaduct.html

The map at the top of the page shows two other much discussed topics.

At the bottom of the map, the route of the Waterloo and City line, and
in the middle the "Post Office" after which today's St Paul's station
was originally named. The station building itself is shown to the north
of Newgate St; today probably in the middle of a traffic island next to
the entrance to the BT HQ.
--
Roland Perry

Most interesting. But what is the line in a tunnel that appears to lead
from Holdborn Viaduct Low-level station under Smithfields meat market
to Aldersgate (now Barbican) station?

In message .com, at
06:33:18 on Sat, 23 Jul 2005, Mizter T remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:28:19 on Fri,
22 Jul 2005, Theo Markettos
remarked:

http://www.loveplums.co.uk/Tube/HolbornViaduct.html

The map at the top of the page shows two other much discussed topics.

At the bottom of the map, the route of the Waterloo and City line, and
in the middle the "Post Office" after which today's St Paul's station
was originally named. The station building itself is shown to the north
of Newgate St; today probably in the middle of a traffic island next to
the entrance to the BT HQ.

Most interesting. But what is the line in a tunnel that appears to lead
from Holdborn Viaduct Low-level station under Smithfields meat market
to Aldersgate (now Barbican) station?

I don't know its name, but it would seem to be the third side of the
triangle there.
--
Roland Perry

In article , Roland Perry
wrote:
In message .com, at
06:33:18 on Sat, 23 Jul 2005, Mizter T remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:28:19 on Fri,
22 Jul 2005, Theo Markettos
remarked:

Most interesting. But what is the line in a tunnel that appears to lead
from Holdborn Viaduct Low-level station under Smithfields meat market
to Aldersgate (now Barbican) station?

I don't know its name, but it would seem to be the third side of the
triangle there.

The diagram (dated 1903) in Ian Allan "Pre-Grouping Junction Diagrams" (ISBN
0 7110 1256 3) doesn't give names to the triangle or its junctions. The only
named junction is West Street Junction, the end-on junction between the SE&C
and Metropolitan 10 chains south of Farringdon station on the west to south
side of the triangle.


--

Jock Mackirdy
Bedford

In article .com, Mizter
T wrote:

Most interesting. But what is the line in a tunnel that appears to lead
from Holdborn Viaduct Low-level station under Smithfields meat market
to Aldersgate (now Barbican) station?

The access to Smithfield GW goods station, Whitecross Street Midland goods
station and the Widened Lines to Moorgate. What you refer to as Hol(d)born
Viaduct Low Level is actually Snow Hill station, which is on the Thameslink
route (though not in use - there are office block piles through the
platforms).

--

Jock Mackirdy
Bedford

When I say Holdborn I of course mean Holborn!

What is left of this line, if anything?

And where was Snow Hill station - was it located under Holborn Viaduct
station?

(And yes, I do realise how stupid Holborn Viaduct Low-level station
sounds! I have heard of Snow Hill station, just couldn't quite remember
it's name at the time of writing.)

In article .com,
Mizter T wrote:
When I say Holdborn I of course mean Holborn!

What is left of this line, if anything?

Not a lot, probably.

And where was Snow Hill station - was it located under Holborn Viaduct
station?

No, North of Holborn Viaduct (the road) but before the east-facing
junction to Smithfield market. The incline ran on the west side of
Holborn Viaduct station and was used by Thameslink trains before the
low-level line and City Thameslink station were built. There is a road
called Snow Hill. The station was underneath the 1960s office buildings
south of the junction of Snow Hill and Farringdon Street (up to the early
90's used by BT but probably gone now).

(And yes, I do realise how stupid Holborn Viaduct Low-level station
sounds! I have heard of Snow Hill station, just couldn't quite remember
it's name at the time of writing.)

--

Jock Mackirdy
Bedford

Jock Mackirdy wrote:
In article .com,
Mizter T wrote:
When I say Holdborn I of course mean Holborn!

What is left of this line, if anything?

Not a lot, probably.

Next time I'm going through the Snow Hill tunnels I'll have a peek,
though I probably won't see anything. As it was all underground I doubt
exploring the surface by foot will bear any fruits.

I'm especially intrigued by the Smithfield GW goods station, which I
presume was under the meat market itself. I've also heard of a rowdy
boozer located in the bowels of the market, patronised by the market
workers, which if it's still open I might try and explore when I'm
feeling brave!

And where was Snow Hill station - was it located under Holborn Viaduct
station?

No, North of Holborn Viaduct (the road) but before the east-facing
junction to Smithfield market. The incline ran on the west side of
Holborn Viaduct station and was used by Thameslink trains before the
low-level line and City Thameslink station were built. There is a road
called Snow Hill. The station was underneath the 1960s office buildings
south of the junction of Snow Hill and Farringdon Street (up to the early
90's used by BT but probably gone now).

Ah, now I see it! Snow Hill station is marked on the old map.

"Mizter T" wrote

And where was Snow Hill station - was it located under Holborn Viaduct
station?

Yes - opened 1 August 1874, renamed Holborn Viaduct (Low Level) 1 May 1912,
closed 1 June 1916. Apparently until around 1960 it was possible to push on
a unlocked door on the concourse of Holborn Viaduct, descend some dark
steps, and end up on the disused platfroms of teh Low Level station. There
was also an entrance from the north side of Holborn Viaduct (street0.

Peter

Peter Masson wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote

And where was Snow Hill station - was it located under Holborn Viaduct
station?

Yes - opened 1 August 1874, renamed Holborn Viaduct (Low Level) 1 May 1912,
closed 1 June 1916. Apparently until around 1960 it was possible to push on
a unlocked door on the concourse of Holborn Viaduct, descend some dark
steps, and end up on the disused platfroms of teh Low Level station. There
was also an entrance from the north side of Holborn Viaduct (street0.

Peter

Thanks to both Peter and Jock for your replies.

The seemingly contradictory answers from Peter and from Jock can, I
think, easily be reconciled. The bulk of the Snow Hill station may have
been to the north of Holborn Viaduct (the road) and/or the main surface
level entrance was located there, but there was access from Holborn
Viaduct (high level) station. Or perhaps that access (i.e. the stairway
you speak of) was added later, maybe when Snow Hill was renamed Holborn
Viaduct Low-level.

I though I had read of the existance of a Holborn Viaduct Low-level
station but couldn't remember. The very name sounds slightly ridiculous
- a station name that contains both the phrase *low-level* + *viaduct*
- but then one must remember that the viaduct in question is of course
Holborn Viaduct (the road), not the railway viaduct.