Peter wrote:

snip /
We may have a 'problem' with these cameras, but it doesn't justify
breaking the law. Doing 80mph along a road is illegal whether there's
a camera or not! The sad thing is that the country is full of people
who have no respect for the law.

I think that is slightly untrue. The majority of people have respect for
the majority of laws.

The fact that speeding *in certain locations* is one of the few laws where a
significant minority from all cross-sections of the community don't have
respect for, suggests that the law in those locations needs rethinking.
Also is funny that those laws often aren't set by parliament, but by local
councillors.

Sean

Dave wrote:
Box Junction cameras to be rolled London wide following successful
pilot
The Times reports (article 23rd July entitiled "Box junctions to be
policed by camera") that following the success of trial in 6 boroughs
where there was a 23% reduction in the number of motorists stopping in
yellow boxes, box-junction cameras are to be offered to all 33
councils in London. The pilot scheme involved 96,000 penalty charge
(£50 or £100) notices being issued during the trial, including 31,000
that were issued to drivers stopping in box junctions, 1,700 issued to
motorists ignoring no entry signs, and 10,000 given to motorists for
driving where vehicles are not permitted.

As these are rolled out London wide, hopefully more road users will
see the benefits of reduced congestion. I will be writing to my
council suggesting a couple of areas where they might consider
putting a box junction camera, where I have seen drivers causing
congestion by breaking box junction rules. Other readers here may
consider doing the same.



Get a ****in grip - dont you think that this govmt screws enough cash out of
us???
Sure, drivers dont always obey the rules and it is sad to see but to
penalise by cameras and fines....no ****in way.
Is there going to be a camera for every possible offence? How about if
someone lets their dog **** in the park and doesnt
dispose of it? Will there be a flash and a NIP? Where will it end?

McKev

In article , McKev
says...

Get a ****in grip - dont you think that this govmt screws enough cash out of
us???

Domations to cameras are completely voluntary.

Sure, drivers dont always obey the rules and it is sad to see but to
penalise by cameras and fines....no ****in way.

It's called BREAKING THE LAW. Surely you believe that people who break
the law sgould be punished?




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Conor

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Conor wrote:
In article , McKev
says...

Get a ****in grip - dont you think that this govmt screws enough
cash out of us???

Domations to cameras are completely voluntary.

Sure, drivers dont always obey the rules and it is sad to see but to
penalise by cameras and fines....no ****in way.

It's called BREAKING THE LAW. Surely you believe that people who break
the law sgould be punished?

Not at every turn though Conor (for motoring) - what the **** kind of nation
are we coming to here?

McKev

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:33:50 +0000, McKev wrote:

Conor wrote:
In article , McKev
says...

Get a ****in grip - dont you think that this govmt screws enough cash
out of us???

Domations to cameras are completely voluntary.

Sure, drivers dont always obey the rules and it is sad to see but to
penalise by cameras and fines....no ****in way.

It's called BREAKING THE LAW. Surely you believe that people who break
the law sgould be punished?

Not at every turn though Conor (for motoring) - what the **** kind of
nation are we coming to here?

One the penalises the selfish. Box junction blocking causes congestion.


McKev

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:45:35 +0100, steve
wrote:

One the penalises the selfish. Box junction blocking causes congestion.

It does. *But*, often, the box junctions are poorly-designed such
that it is easy, by a slight misjudgement, to end up being stuck in
the box inadvertently. That needs the junction to be redesigned, not
for lots of people to be fined.

My personal view is that I am against traffic enforcement cameras, and
would rather see more police officers out enforcing the law, and using
discretion as appropriate. An increase in the level of fines would go
some way to funding this.

Neil

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In article , McKev
says...

Not at every turn though Conor (for motoring) - what the **** kind of nation
are we coming to here?

One where people think it's OK to break the law and as long as it's in
a car, you're not a "proper" criminal.


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Conor

-You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room
K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python)

"Conor" wrote in message
t...

Domations to cameras are completely voluntary.

Councils will decrease the frequency with which box junctions are repainted,
once they realise that faded box junctions bring in more revenue.

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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Box junction cameras are for my benefit, and the benefit of those who
want to get around town! Those fools who block box junctions cause
conjestion and delay everyone. I'm delighted if they get a £100 fine
because maybe they might think again before doing the same thing again.
Bring on more box junction cameras I say.

Top Gear had a feature where they hid near a box junction, and when
people stopped in it blocking other, a troupee of dancers pounced on
them to make them aware of what they had done. Fantastic!