On 18 Aug 2005 02:44:20 -0700, wrote:

Will the retail organisations allow the late running to
go ahead, I don't think so.

How many high-street shops open before 10am on a Sunday? Other than
the kind of smaller shop that opens 24 hours per day, or near to that,
I can think of few.

Neil

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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:52:17 GMT, "Alan OBrien"
wrote:

The Northern Line has at least twice closed the Bank Branch in the quiet
months of July/August to put more speed restrictions in



Seriously, perhaps that is what is needed. Close one line at a time
in its entirety, and completely re-lay the track, signalling and other
failure-prone equipment. The amount of engineering work required in
future would then drastically decrease.

I'd bet that this approach would save money in the long term. Trouble
is, TPTB refuse to recognise this, despite the fact that it is
increasingly becoming the method of choice on the main line.

Neil

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On 18 Aug 2005 14:33:02 GMT, Adrian wrote:

Chalfont & Latimer lies between here and Amersham.

I very much doubt that all-night services could be justified on the
outer reaches of the Met, any more than they could be to High Wycombe
or Milton Keynes (for example).

What *could* perhaps be justified is a service at 0100 and another at
0200 (then nothing until 05something), which is approximately what MK
gets when there isn't engineering work and buses (when these
departures still occur, just by bus instead). Because it doesn't stay
open at night for the sleepers and freight, however, I doubt the
staffing for this could be justified, not to mention the increased
staffing levels LUL-type operations require.

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Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

Will the retail organisations allow the late running to
go ahead, I don't think so.

How many high-street shops open before 10am on a Sunday? Other than
the kind of smaller shop that opens 24 hours per day, or near to that,
I can think of few.

The staff have to get there before opening time...

Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

Are other similar systems closed for five hours every night?

Hamburg's used to be, but now operates 24 hours a day at weekends.
Parts of the system are rather old but have not been allowed to get
into the embarassing and disgraceful state of LUL.

Right. So there's no inherent need to close for five hours each and every
night - except, perhaps, for cracks to be wallpapered over.

The night bus system, OTOH, is easy to understand and entirely
acceptable, if a little slow. That said, the night buses are not
busy, because clubbers tend to go out late on the weekend (say leave
the house at 10pm) and return home on the first train (~5am). I can
see this culture developing in London. If it does, an *earlier* start
is what's needed, not a later finish.

I'm not necessarily thinking of all-night clubbers or "binge drinkers"
roll of eyes

I'm thinking more of people who'd go to the theatre/restaurant/cinema or
some other event with friends who may live in a variety of different
directions around London, then might actually fancy going to a pub and
having a chat over a pint or two afterwards.

*That's* the kind of social occasion that's going to benefit most from the
change of closing time to midnight or 1am.

Let's face it, if somebody wants to go and get ******ed, they can do that
until dawn already. Bar - Late Bar - Club.

Incidentally, I don't see why some consider it is not a requirement to
provide public transport for revellers. Why is it any less a
requirement to provide for them than for customers of other businesses
during the day?

Indeed.

On 18 Aug 2005 18:22:57 GMT, Adrian wrote:

The staff have to get there before opening time...

Not several hours before opening time. For 10am opening, 9 or 9:30am
would be quite sufficient, with suitable staff planning and
organisation. Not all shops even open that early; as they're allowed
6 hours (I think), many choose noon-6pm or 11am-5pm.

There remain, of course, night buses.

Neil

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On 18 Aug 2005 18:27:45 GMT, Adrian wrote:

Right. So there's no inherent need to close for five hours each and every
night - except, perhaps, for cracks to be wallpapered over.

Agreed. See my other post; some short-term pain (e.g. closing a line
for a month or two at a time once to completely retrack and resignal)
would be a definite benefit in the long-term.

Neil

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In message . 170,
Adrian writes

I don't think it fair that LU should stay open later to accomodate
late night revellers, whilst starting later in the mornings, causing
hard working Londoners grief in getting to work. It's us Londoners
that keep London going.

How busy are the trains at 5.30am?

The ones I drive get pretty busy - all with people going to work and/or
the airport.
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Tom Anderson wrote:

Anyway - The question is... Will LU reflect this in extending
the time of the last trains? It's a bit pointless pubs applying
for later licences if people still have to leave at the same
time to get home.

I suppose people will have to drink in a pub near home.

Or catch a night bus. Or cycle.

Without wanting to be a killjoy, it's an offence under section
12 of the Licensing Act 1872 to be drunk in charge of a
carriage. A pedal cycle is a carriage for the purposes of
this Act.

You might also find that you're a bit prone to wobble if
you're riding home from the pub.


Matt Ashby

On 18 Aug 2005 08:52:53 GMT, Adrian wrote:

Christine ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

I don't think it fair that LU should stay open later to accomodate
late night revellers, whilst starting later in the mornings, causing
hard working Londoners grief in getting to work. It's us Londoners
that keep London going.

How busy are the trains at 5.30am?

And do they really use the full close-time every night?

Are other similar systems closed for five hours every night?


Well, Paris does. Has 4.5 hour window but certainly finshes around
12.30-01.00 - starts at 05.30.


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