On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:48:50 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
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I don't see that it is LU's responsibility to get people home just
because pub opening hours are longer. If people must insist in
drinking until 2 am get a taxi or a night bus or move closer to the
pub, or choose a pub wihin walking distance. This problem will be
nationwide and not just in London but the whole business of the new
licencing laws seems to be ill conceived but then most of what
nu-Labour does seems to finish up as f**k-up, just look at child tax
credits.


Perhaps it's more the case that they're withdrawing what was imposed as a
temporary measure?


I don't think it fair that LU should stay open later to accomodate
late night revellers, whilst starting later in the mornings, causing
hard working Londoners grief in getting to work. It's us Londoners
that keep London going.

Or is it true that Britain is becoming a Leisure and Tourism culture
and sod the worker???

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Christine ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

I don't think it fair that LU should stay open later to accomodate
late night revellers, whilst starting later in the mornings, causing
hard working Londoners grief in getting to work. It's us Londoners
that keep London going.

How busy are the trains at 5.30am?

And do they really use the full close-time every night?

Are other similar systems closed for five hours every night?

Adrian wrote:
Christine ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

I don't think it fair that LU should stay open later to accomodate
late night revellers, whilst starting later in the mornings, causing
hard working Londoners grief in getting to work. It's us Londoners
that keep London going.

How busy are the trains at 5.30am?

And do they really use the full close-time every night?

Are other similar systems closed for five hours every night?
The 5.30 am start isn't the problem as the late start would only be
needed on Saturday and Sunday unless of course the masses decide to
binge drink Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night and Thursday
night aswell. The trouble is would it be reasonable in a city like
London to expect 6.30 start on Saturdays and 7.30 on Sundays. Add to
that late running engineering work and you wont be able to get into
London until 9am on a Saturday and God knows what time on a Sunday.
Now Ken was going on about the reduction in retail spending as a result
of the bombing. Will the retail organisations allow the late running to
go ahead, I don't think so.

Kevin

) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Are other similar systems closed for five hours every night?
The 5.30 am start isn't the problem as the late start would only be
needed on Saturday and Sunday unless of course the masses decide to
binge drink Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night and Thursday
night aswell.

I'm not quite sure why you think that pubs staying open for a little longer
necessarily implies "binge drinking"?

It doesn't imply binge drinking anymore than when licencing laws were
amended before that it implied an increase in binge drinking but I bet
that is what will happen.

Kevin

On 18 Aug 2005 02:44:20 -0700, wrote:

Will the retail organisations allow the late running to
go ahead, I don't think so.

How many high-street shops open before 10am on a Sunday? Other than
the kind of smaller shop that opens 24 hours per day, or near to that,
I can think of few.

Neil

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Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

Will the retail organisations allow the late running to
go ahead, I don't think so.

How many high-street shops open before 10am on a Sunday? Other than
the kind of smaller shop that opens 24 hours per day, or near to that,
I can think of few.

The staff have to get there before opening time...

On 18 Aug 2005 18:22:57 GMT, Adrian wrote:

The staff have to get there before opening time...

Not several hours before opening time. For 10am opening, 9 or 9:30am
would be quite sufficient, with suitable staff planning and
organisation. Not all shops even open that early; as they're allowed
6 hours (I think), many choose noon-6pm or 11am-5pm.

There remain, of course, night buses.

Neil

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How busy are the trains at 5.30am?

First trains are fairly busy, subsequent ones not so.

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On 18 Aug 2005 08:52:53 GMT, Adrian wrote:

How busy are the trains at 5.30am?

And do they really use the full close-time every night?

Are other similar systems closed for five hours every night?

Hamburg's used to be, but now operates 24 hours a day at weekends.
Parts of the system are rather old but have not been allowed to get
into the embarassing and disgraceful state of LUL.

The night bus system, OTOH, is easy to understand and entirely
acceptable, if a little slow. That said, the night buses are not
busy, because clubbers tend to go out late on the weekend (say leave
the house at 10pm) and return home on the first train (~5am). I can
see this culture developing in London. If it does, an *earlier* start
is what's needed, not a later finish.

Incidentally, I don't see why some consider it is not a requirement to
provide public transport for revellers. Why is it any less a
requirement to provide for them than for customers of other businesses
during the day?

Neil

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