Michael Hopkins wrote:

The only ways to increase capacity a
i) more trains
ii) improvements to track and signalling to allow them to run closer
together, thereby increasing the number of passengers carried per unit time.
iii) redesign trains to get more people on each one, i.e. adjusting the
balance of seats to standing space, and positioning the seats to take up
least space.
iv) schemes (such as the extra platforms proposed at Victoria) to help (ii)
by decreasing station dwell times.

What seems to be proposed for Victoria is a very clever solution to
*station* overcrowding. As I understand it, in itself it won't affect train
capacities.

Michael
The frequency on the Victoria Line is already very high, I suppose that
you might squeeze a few extra in per hour but then you still have to
overcome the overcrowding and unloading/loading time at Victoria.

Kevin

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Michael Hopkins wrote:

The only ways to increase capacity a
i) more trains
ii) improvements to track and signalling to allow them to run closer
together, thereby increasing the number of passengers carried per unit
time.
iii) redesign trains to get more people on each one, i.e. adjusting the
balance of seats to standing space, and positioning the seats to take up
least space.
iv) schemes (such as the extra platforms proposed at Victoria) to help
(ii)
by decreasing station dwell times.

What seems to be proposed for Victoria is a very clever solution to
*station* overcrowding. As I understand it, in itself it won't affect
train
capacities.

Michael
The frequency on the Victoria Line is already very high, I suppose that
you might squeeze a few extra in per hour but then you still have to
overcome the overcrowding and unloading/loading time at Victoria.

Indeed. Looking at the timescale (Building work will start in 2008 and is
due to finish in 2013) I can't help thinking that the money could be spent
better in helping to provide alternative rail routes from southern London to
central London - notably the Thameslink 2000 scheme, but also the ELR
extension and Crossrail. According to press reports, "The "huge influx" of
commuters from the Home Counties and south London has increased pressure on
the station, the mayor said. Every morning about 35,000 passengers pass
through it." Yet despite the clearly identified lack of traffic on the west
of London for Crossrail, the idea of incorporating a service to
Richmond/Twickenham/Kingston has apparently been discarded. Joined-up
thinking, anybody ?

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels)

On 7 Sep 2005 01:04:19 -0700, wrote:

There was much on the news last night about the £500M revamp at
Victoria and the increse in capacity. Surely you can only increase
capacity buy increasing the frequency of trains or increasing the
carrying capacity or have I missed something.

The upgrade of Victoria station is urgently needed because it simply
cannot cope with current loadings. People are delayed getting through
all parts of the station when it is busy or worse.

The station upgrade coincides with the delivery of the line upgrade
according to the press release. This means that the higher volumes of
people being carried by the upgraded train service can actually get in
and out of Victoria and conversely, of course, that there is more train
service to carry the extra people who will be able to use Victoria
without getting delayed as the congested parts of the station will have
been rebuild or added to..

The scale of the planned construction is quite something but I am
somewhat disappointed that it seems to do very little indeed to deal
with the District / Circle parts of the station which is horribly
cramped with platforms that are too small and connecting corridors
bridges which are inappropriate. I wonder if a Phase 2 is planned to
deal with the increased service provided by the sub surface upgrade?
--
Paul C


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