On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:15:47 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Angel, which is one of the stations
with the highest proportion of blind users.

Old Street I can understand. But why Angel, I wonder? Where does
this statistic come from?

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...


The ideal solution would be escalators. I presume the fact that the
lifts have survived so long is an indication that the site isn't
suited to the extra horizontal space required for escalators and that
conversion would be seriously costly in terms of the
building/tunnelling work involved.

That's my understanding also, the surface building would need to be
located
elsewhere in the vicinity.

Erm, how about Leicester Square.

(Here we go round again).

:-)

--
Brian
"Anyway, if you have been, thanks for listening."

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:15:47 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Angel, which is one of the stations
with the highest proportion of blind users.

Old Street I can understand. But why Angel, I wonder?

Perhaps it's the nearest station to RNIB?

--
Brian
"Anyway, if you have been, thanks for listening."

Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
These sort of things make me laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4227212.stm

Strangely enough it doesn't mention Leicester Sq so I assume that
that station is equally overcrowded and can't cope. Perhaps Ken
could introduce a congestion charge or even pay for escalators.


You'd make yourself look less of a prat if you had bothered to read
the article and to understand it.
Ok my understanding is that TfL are encouraging passngers not to use
Covent Garden tube at the weekend due to overcrowding.
Covent Garden is the busiest tube station that is exclusively served
by lifts.
TfL are encouraging passengers to use Charing Cross, Embankment and
Holburn (but strangely not Leicester Sq).


The opening paragraph states "Transport chiefs are urging people to
reduce congestion at Covent Garden Tube station by using other forms
of travel".

Is my understanding ok, what have I not understood?

If your level of understanding is such why does the story make you
laugh?
So why shouldn't that make me laugh.

Given that it's a simple request to avoid a particular station that has
restricted capacity and offers some alternatives I'm trying to work out how
it makes the "joke of the week" list, or may be you're one of these loons
who laughs at everything?

Do we need to get the permission
of the Newsgroup police to find soemthing amusing now.

So you are paranoid as well as finding everything amusing, an interesting
combination.

No comment then on a situation where passengers are being expected not
to use the closest public transport due to, well erh, congestion.

If you drive a car and hear a radio report saying that a particular area is
congested do you also find that amusing or do you find another route?
Presumably you would also find it amusing if the station became so
overcrowded that people got hurt?


Really inspires confidence that we have the Olympics in 7 years time.

Absolutetly, it shows that the people responsibler are taking note of
problems and doing something about it, beyond killing themselves laughing at
other people's discomfort..
If I had said this ironic rather than this makes me laugh would you
have been happier. I agree that it is hardly joke of the week, but now
I am paranoid, I think that that can be better aimed in your direction.
Can you give an explanation as to why Leicester Sq isn't listed as an
alternative or come to that Tottenham Court Rd or Temple. Both the
latter are equi distance to Holborn or Embankment.
What are Tfl doing about other chronically overcrowded stations such as
Camden?
Who are you to suggest that I would take pleasure in people getting
hurt in an overcrowded station.
Now who is a pratt.

Kevin

Brian Watson wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
...


The ideal solution would be escalators. I presume the fact that the
lifts have survived so long is an indication that the site isn't
suited to the extra horizontal space required for escalators and
that conversion would be seriously costly in terms of the
building/tunnelling work involved.

That's my understanding also, the surface building would need to be
located
elsewhere in the vicinity.

Erm, how about Leicester Square.

(Here we go round again).

:-)

Just far enough away to be annoying, from the point of view of someone who
has difficulty walking.

wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
These sort of things make me laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4227212.stm

Strangely enough it doesn't mention Leicester Sq so I assume
that that station is equally overcrowded and can't cope.
Perhaps Ken
could introduce a congestion charge or even pay for escalators.


You'd make yourself look less of a prat if you had bothered to
read the article and to understand it.
Ok my understanding is that TfL are encouraging passngers not to
use Covent Garden tube at the weekend due to overcrowding.
Covent Garden is the busiest tube station that is exclusively
served
by lifts.
TfL are encouraging passengers to use Charing Cross, Embankment
and Holburn (but strangely not Leicester Sq).


The opening paragraph states "Transport chiefs are urging people
to reduce congestion at Covent Garden Tube station by using other
forms
of travel".

Is my understanding ok, what have I not understood?

If your level of understanding is such why does the story make you
laugh?
So why shouldn't that make me laugh.

Given that it's a simple request to avoid a particular station that
has restricted capacity and offers some alternatives I'm trying to
work out how it makes the "joke of the week" list, or may be you're
one of these loons who laughs at everything?

Do we need to get the permission
of the Newsgroup police to find soemthing amusing now.

So you are paranoid as well as finding everything amusing, an
interesting combination.

No comment then on a situation where passengers are being expected
not
to use the closest public transport due to, well erh, congestion.

If you drive a car and hear a radio report saying that a particular
area is congested do you also find that amusing or do you find
another route? Presumably you would also find it amusing if the
station became so overcrowded that people got hurt?


Really inspires confidence that we have the Olympics in 7 years
time.

Absolutetly, it shows that the people responsibler are taking note of
problems and doing something about it, beyond killing themselves
laughing at other people's discomfort..
If I had said this ironic rather than this makes me laugh would you
have been happier. I agree that it is hardly joke of the week, but now
I am paranoid, I think that that can be better aimed in your
direction.
Can you give an explanation as to why Leicester Sq isn't listed as an
alternative or come to that Tottenham Court Rd or Temple. Both the
latter are equi distance to Holborn or Embankment.

I would suspect that Leicester Sq being the next station hasn't been
mentioned becase it's blindingly obvious to most sensible people.

What are Tfl doing about other chronically overcrowded stations such
as Camden?

Trying to get planning permission to rebuild them.

Who are you to suggest that I would take pleasure in people getting
hurt in an overcrowded station.

No such suggestion was made. If you read it carefully you'll notice it was a
question, or perhaps you don't understand the "?" symbol.

In message ,
Martin Underwood writes

The ideal solution would be escalators. I presume the fact that the lifts
have survived so long is an indication that the site isn't suited to the
extra horizontal space required for escalators and that conversion would be
seriously costly in terms of the building/tunnelling work involved.

The TfL 5-year plan announced "major works to relieve congestion" at
Covent Garden "by 2007" - but didn't say what these will be. It won't be
escalators, given the time-scale. My guess is that it will be to enlarge
the street-level ticket hall by converting adjacent property (or perhaps
by reviving the old plan of a second hall on the north side of Long
Acre, possibly with additional lifts). This would be worthwhile, since
the present ticket hall is far too small and adds considerably to the
congestion around the lifts.

I have often thought that the rebuilding of the opera house and the
entire north-west quarter of the piazza in the late 1990s would have
been an ideal time to have added escalators to the tube station - a new
station entrance could quite possibly have been included on the corner
of James Street and the new development.

But I'm sure cost is the real issue - if the £500M for the Victoria
redevelopment is any guide, putting in escalators at Covent Garden would
probably cost more than the entire redevelopment of the Opera House (and
that was astronomic!).

--
Paul Terry

In message ,
Brimstone writes

Brian Watson wrote:

Erm, how about Leicester Square.

Just far enough away to be annoying, from the point of view of someone who
has difficulty walking.

Exacerbated by the fact that the vast amount of pedestrian traffic in
Long Acre means frequently stepping out into traffic. I suspect this
street-level congestion may be why TfL are no longer advertising
Leicester Square as an alternative for Covent Garden (although it still
appears on many signs).

--
Paul Terry

In message , at
12:30:28 on Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Brimstone remarked:
What are Tfl doing about other chronically overcrowded stations such
as Camden?

Trying to get planning permission to rebuild them.

"Failing to get" I think.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
12:30:28 on Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Brimstone
remarked:
What are Tfl doing about other chronically overcrowded stations such
as Camden?

Trying to get planning permission to rebuild them.

"Failing to get" I think.

I seem to recall reading something about Camden Council refusing planning
permission for rebuilding the station.