In message , at 12:45:05 on Sun,
11 Sep 2005, John Rowland
remarked:
It's difficult to work out what would be the best option
if they did decide to rebuild - perhaps a sub-surface
ticket hall immediately to the north of the market
buildings, with several surface entrances
(similar to Leicester Square). Escalators would
then lead down in a northerly direction to a long
concourse parallel but above and to the south
of the platform tunnels. From there perhaps
three or four new passageways and staircases
down to the platforms, as well as
incorporating the existing two staircases.

Wheelchair access would be legally required.

That's fairly easy - the wheelchair access would be via a new lift
installed in place of the existing ones (on which site would also
presumably be the existing emergency stair exit).
--
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In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at 12:45:05 on
Sun, 11 Sep 2005, John Rowland
remarked:
It's difficult to work out what would be the best option
if they did decide to rebuild - perhaps a sub-surface
ticket hall immediately to the north of the market
buildings, with several surface entrances
(similar to Leicester Square). Escalators would
then lead down in a northerly direction to a long
concourse parallel but above and to the south
of the platform tunnels. From there perhaps
three or four new passageways and staircases
down to the platforms, as well as
incorporating the existing two staircases.

Wheelchair access would be legally required.

That's fairly easy - the wheelchair access would be via a new lift
installed in place of the existing ones (on which site would also
presumably be the existing emergency stair exit).

Does the existing lift go from street level to platform level?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:45:05 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Wheelchair access would be legally required.

Lifts could be retained, and adapted, for that purpose.

Neil

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In message , at
13:24:00 on Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
That's fairly easy - the wheelchair access would be via a new lift
installed in place of the existing ones (on which site would also
presumably be the existing emergency stair exit).

Does the existing lift go from street level to platform level?

It starts at street level, but would probably need extending down a
little to reach the platform. Almost every tube station of that type has
a corridor, then stairs, down to platform level. But this would be
easier than sinking a complete new shaft.
--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:42:53 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

In message , Roland
Perry writes

The current booking hall is tiny. It's basically a corridor around the
liftshaft, at street level. Very similar to Russell Square, or Goodge
St.

Certainly that's currently the case. But looking from the outside, the
original Leslie Green station building appears to be one of his largest
- a corner site, with three big bays on the Long Acre side and an even
longer facade (three bays separated by infills) on the James Street
side.

However, don't I recall that LU rent out some of this space for
shops/kiosks? I'm sure I recall a bureau de change stuck in one of the
James Street bays. I wonder if they add to the congestion?

The same applies to the Long Acre elevation. Not sure how far back
these go, but potentially only about 45% of the ground space is used
by LU.
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In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at
13:24:00 on Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
That's fairly easy - the wheelchair access would be via a new lift
installed in place of the existing ones (on which site would also
presumably be the existing emergency stair exit).

Does the existing lift go from street level to platform level?

It starts at street level, but would probably need extending down a
little to reach the platform. Almost every tube station of that type
has a corridor, then stairs, down to platform level. But this would be
easier than sinking a complete new shaft.

Not that easy I suspect.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at
13:24:00 on Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:

That's fairly easy - the wheelchair access would
be via a new lift installed in place of the existing
ones (on which site would also
presumably be the existing emergency stair exit).

And would that street entrance have to be permanently manned?

Does the existing lift go from street level to platform level?

It starts at street level, but would probably need
extending down a little to reach the platform.
Almost every tube station of that type has
a corridor, then stairs, down to platform level.
But this would be
easier than sinking a complete new shaft.

.... assuming that the existing lift shaft extended would not foul the
running tunnels, and would come down between them with enough room either
side for level access. It would surprise me if this were true.

I don't understand why escalator shafts in new or rebuilt stations aren't
built with sloping lifts alongside the escalators, seems a no brainer to
me... I guess the CoBA doesn't stack up.

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In message , at 00:28:41 on Mon,
12 Sep 2005, John Rowland
remarked:

That's fairly easy - the wheelchair access would
be via a new lift installed in place of the existing
ones (on which site would also
presumably be the existing emergency stair exit).

And would that street entrance have to be permanently manned?

I don't know. There's a disabled-lift-only exit somewhere in the Bank
complex, I think. Is that manned?

Does the existing lift go from street level to platform level?

It starts at street level, but would probably need
extending down a little to reach the platform.
Almost every tube station of that type has
a corridor, then stairs, down to platform level.
But this would be
easier than sinking a complete new shaft.

... assuming that the existing lift shaft extended would not foul the
running tunnels, and would come down between them with enough room either
side for level access. It would surprise me if this were true.

Then you'd need to have a pair of lifts, one in the existing shaft, then
another from the existing corridor at the bottom to a suitable place at
platform level.

I don't understand why escalator shafts in new or rebuilt stations aren't
built with sloping lifts alongside the escalators, seems a no brainer to
me... I guess the CoBA doesn't stack up.

The solution at London Bridge was to have a new lift shaft at one of the
more distant exits, and a dedicated and rather long horizontal tunnel
from the platform to where that "landed".
--
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:59:29 +0100, "Brian Watson"
wrote:

Angel, which is one of the stations
with the highest proportion of blind users.

Old Street I can understand. But why Angel, I wonder?

Perhaps it's the nearest station to RNIB?

Did you bother to check? RNIB is in Judd St. Kings Cross/Euston.

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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:59:29 +0100, "Brian Watson"
wrote:

Angel, which is one of the stations
with the highest proportion of blind users.

Old Street I can understand. But why Angel, I wonder?

Perhaps it's the nearest station to RNIB?

Did you bother to check?

No. That's why I inserted the question mark at the end of the sentence.

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