Clive wrote:
In message . com,
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So how should cycling be encouraged, and made safer?
By discouraging it and using a taxi as a safer alternative.
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Raising the price of fuel to £2 per litre would also help, and boost
revenues as well.

Clive wrote:

In message . com,
writes

So how should cycling be encouraged, and made safer?

By discouraging it and using a taxi as a safer alternative.

Which you will, of course, be happy to pay for?
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Chris

"If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem."

Chris Slade wrote:
Clive wrote:

In message . com,
writes

So how should cycling be encouraged, and made safer?

By discouraging it and using a taxi as a safer alternative.

Which you will, of course, be happy to pay for?
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No, not every time I fill up at the pump.

But if it resulted in a reduction in my income tax bill, I'd be happy
when the pay packet comes in.

Since most people have more choice over how much petrol they buy, than
over how much money they earn, most people would end up better off.

Neil Williams wrote:
Surely it's time for more police, out on the streets and
visible, issuing fixed penalty tickets for cycling infringements as
well as ticketing motorists for dangerous driving (can't do that with
a camera), deterring other crime and assisting the public where
required?

Cameras, CCTV and the likes, while useful, are no substitute for
proper policing on the front line.

On a positive note, I just saw this in email in another place:-

"Cycling police are certainly back in force in the City area, nabbing
many a newbie/oldie for straying onto pavements, through red lights
etc. A friend of mine who has just started cycling to work was hauled
up last week for taking a shortcut across a pavement and given a
thirty quid fine on the spot.

"However, the Old Bill told him that if he turned up to a road safety
training course they're running for cyclists one lunchtime and bought
along the fine, they'd tear it up right there and he wouldn't have to
pay. An interesting approach, i thought...even perhaps one to be
applauded..."

Can't say I've noticed it going on myself, but it seems like a useful
initiative.

Pete.

"Cycling police are certainly back in force in the City area, nabbing
many a newbie/oldie for straying onto pavements, through red lights
etc. A friend of mine who has just started cycling to work was hauled
up last week for taking a shortcut across a pavement and given a
thirty quid fine on the spot.


Can't say I've noticed it going on myself, but it seems like a useful
initiative.

On several occasions while on the top deck of a bus I've enjoyed the sight
of police cyclists waiting for cyclists to run the red lights at Bank
junction, and then stopping them. Only cops on bikes would have a hope of
catching them.

Guy

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Paul Scott wrote:

"Mike Bristow" wrote in message
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The only offences commited on the road that are enforced are those that
can be enforced with a camera. This is true all over Britain.

What sort of camera is detecting drivers who are over the alcohol limit
then?

One with a spectroscope attatched, perhaps.

tom

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Don't believe his lies.

"Guy" guy wrote in message
...

"Cycling police are certainly back in force in the City area, nabbing
many a newbie/oldie for straying onto pavements, through red lights
etc. A friend of mine who has just started cycling to work was hauled
up last week for taking a shortcut across a pavement and given a
thirty quid fine on the spot.


Can't say I've noticed it going on myself, but it seems like a useful
initiative.

On several occasions while on the top deck of a bus I've enjoyed the sight
of police cyclists waiting for cyclists to run the red lights at Bank
junction, and then stopping them. Only cops on bikes would have a hope of
catching them.

Guy

I'm just waiting for the cyclists to get a bug up their asses about this
like motorists do with speed cameras. Soon, cycle cops will have to wear
8-ft illuminated helmets, so cyclists can spot them at a distance and not go
through red lights, or quickly jump off the pavement until the cop goes...

:-P

d wrote:
I'm just waiting for the cyclists to get a bug up their asses about this
like motorists do with speed cameras. Soon, cycle cops will have to wear
8-ft illuminated helmets, so cyclists can spot them at a distance and not go
through red lights, or quickly jump off the pavement until the cop goes...

Good job this isn't uk.t - otherwise you'd have the speed freaks there
up in arms for equating speed cameras with red light running ...

Y'see, on uk.t at least, when a cyclist goes through a red light they
are evil and must be strung up (or at least taxed, registered, licensed
and otherwise punished for using a cheap, economical mode of transport,
irrespective of the legality of their behaviour), yet when a motorist
trips a speed camera it's because the local plod is raising revenue by
imposing an unfairly low speed limit on a stretch of road.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, chris harrison wrote:

d wrote:

I'm just waiting for the cyclists to get a bug up their asses about
this like motorists do with speed cameras. Soon, cycle cops will have
to wear 8-ft illuminated helmets, so cyclists can spot them at a
distance and not go through red lights, or quickly jump off the
pavement until the cop goes...

Good job this isn't uk.t - otherwise you'd have the speed freaks there up in
arms for equating speed cameras with red light running ...

Y'see, on uk.t at least, when a cyclist goes through a red light they
are evil and must be strung up (or at least taxed, registered, licensed
and otherwise punished for using a cheap, economical mode of transport,
irrespective of the legality of their behaviour),

.... and *then* strung up.

yet when a motorist trips a speed camera it's because the local plod is
raising revenue by imposing an unfairly low speed limit on a stretch of
road.

And, of course, they probably speeding in the first place because they
were accelerating out of danger!

tom

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Science runs with us, making us Gods.

"chris harrison" wrote in message
.. .
d wrote:
I'm just waiting for the cyclists to get a bug up their asses about this
like motorists do with speed cameras. Soon, cycle cops will have to wear
8-ft illuminated helmets, so cyclists can spot them at a distance and not
go through red lights, or quickly jump off the pavement until the cop
goes...

Good job this isn't uk.t - otherwise you'd have the speed freaks there up
in arms for equating speed cameras with red light running ...

Y'see, on uk.t at least, when a cyclist goes through a red light they are
evil and must be strung up (or at least taxed, registered, licensed and
otherwise punished for using a cheap, economical mode of transport,
irrespective of the legality of their behaviour), yet when a motorist
trips a speed camera it's because the local plod is raising revenue by
imposing an unfairly low speed limit on a stretch of road.

Seriously. By their screwed logic, undercover cops would be illegal.
They'd have to wear their uniforms while trying to infiltrate a drugs ring
or terrorist organisation.

Hey motorists! Don't like speed cameras? Don't speed!