On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:52:20 GMT, Chris Tolley
wrote:

A similarly good deal can be had around Liverpool too.

While a Liverpool city centre single is somewhere around the gbp0.50
mark, as I recall. Even Metrolink isn't that expensive (and it is
usually regarded as overpriced), and Manchester of course has its
3-route free city centre bus network.

Neil

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In message , at 18:24:21 on Tue, 4 Oct
2005, Neil Williams remarked:
And gbp3 is an absolute insult. Off-peak, you can get a ticket for
unlimited train travel throughout Greater Manchester for less than
that, for example. gbp2 is too much for a Zone 1 single, IMO.

£2.30 to travel all round Nottingham all day (bus and tram). And valid
during the peaks, too. The best value is the family version of that
ticket - just £5 for five people.
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On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:49:28 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

£2.30 to travel all round Nottingham all day (bus and tram). And valid
during the peaks, too.

Now that *is* good. Many of these rover-type tickets in the provinces
are off-peak only.

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:

And gbp3 is an absolute insult. Off-peak, you can get a ticket for
unlimited train travel throughout Greater Manchester for less than
that, for example. gbp2 is too much for a Zone 1 single, IMO.

I'm born and bred in Rochdale myself and I've had many GM Rail Rangers,
but I would still say that a One Day Travelcard (which is still paper)
or even Oyster Pre-Pay capping is better value due to the huge network
it is valid on. The equivalent to the One Day Travelcard in GM is the
System One Bus and Train ticket which is 4.00 or the Bus, Train and
Tram Daysaver which is 6.50.

An all day System One Bus only Daysaver (GM) has now just gone up to
3.50, whereas the equivalent in London will still only be 3.00 from
January (with Oyster).

On 5 Oct 2005 02:32:23 -0700, "Richard Adamfi"
wrote:

An all day System One Bus only Daysaver (GM) has now just gone up to
3.50, whereas the equivalent in London will still only be 3.00 from
January (with Oyster).

That was the reason I quoted a rail-only fare - London buses, being
subsidised to a greater extent than provincial ones, have far more
reasonable fares. Rail is in many cases the other way around.

I'm not complaining heavily about the bus fare increase, though it
won't be good for those doing shorter journeys. It's the Z1 Tube fare
I consider unreasonable.

Neil

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Richard Adamfi wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:

I understand the purpose of the exercise is to encourage Oyster use,
but IMO this is not the way to do it.

So what is the way to do it?

How about installing Oyster readers in all London train stations?
*Then* TFL can start shoving oysters down people's necks.

If you use a travelcard on national rail stick to a paper ticket. With
Oyster you pay *more* money. What a con.

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Paul

On 4 Oct 2005 14:57:10 -0700, "Paul" wrote:

How about installing Oyster readers in all London train stations?
*Then* TFL can start shoving oysters down people's necks.

They're there. They work on period tickets. But the train companies
don't seem to want to wire them up to the pre-pay system.

Laurence Payne wrote:

They're there. They work on period tickets. But the train companies
don't seem to want to wire them up to the pre-pay system.

That's because they are slow on the uptake of a purely zonal fare system as
per the tube. AFAIK it's not due to come into effect until 2006 or 2007.
Unfortunately NR are very much in the past with their archaic point to
point system for rail only journeys within the Travelcard area.

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On 4 Oct 2005 14:57:10 -0700, "Paul" wrote:

How about installing Oyster readers in all London train stations?
*Then* TFL can start shoving oysters down people's necks.

They already are installed at every station in London that has
barriers (except Romford). At stations without barriers, they would
serve no purpose anyway (you don't need to touch in/out if you have a
Travelcard season).

If you use a travelcard on national rail stick to a paper ticket. With
Oyster you pay *more* money. What a con.

If you buy your Travelcard on Oyster from South West Trains (not sure
about other TOCs) they give you the same discount for poor performance
that you'd get with their paper version.

asdf wrote:
On 4 Oct 2005 14:57:10 -0700, "Paul" wrote:

How about installing Oyster readers in all London train stations?
*Then* TFL can start shoving oysters down people's necks.

They already are installed at every station in London that has
barriers (except Romford). At stations without barriers, they would
serve no purpose anyway (you don't need to touch in/out if you have a
Travelcard season).

But there are many stations without barriers.

If you use a travelcard on national rail stick to a paper ticket. With
Oyster you pay *more* money. What a con.

If you buy your Travelcard on Oyster from South West Trains (not sure
about other TOCs) they give you the same discount for poor performance
that you'd get with their paper version.

How many SWT stations in London have the facility to sell Oyster cards?
It's only 2 or 3. Same for SET.

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Paul