In message , at 15:04:20 on Sat,
15 Oct 2005, Clive remarked:
It's perfectly possible to dislike the invasion of privacy, due to its
tracking your movements.

Perhaps you have an HRH in front of you name and then they might be
interested. Otherwise you're paranoid. It allows LT to see where
the majority of journeys happen and can plan accordingly.

They can do that without knowing my name and address.
--
Roland Perry

In message , Roland
Perry writes
They can do that without knowing my name and address.
No they can't, they can know where most stared, and most end, but not
where the starters go or where the finishers started. If you want a
better service for London you'll get an Oyster, if you want to moan that
your service is overcrowded and under funded then carry on as you are,
giving TfL no feedback at all.
--
Clive

In message , at 21:22:29 on Sat,
15 Oct 2005, Clive remarked:
They can do that without knowing my name and address.
No they can't, they can know where most stared, and most end, but not
where the starters go or where the finishers started.

I find that sentence very difficult to parse.

Are you trying to say it's essential from them to not only track my
journey across London (and be able to reconcile it with every other
journey I make across London - both possible with an anonymous system),
but also that they need to know the address from which I started the
journey on foot in the morning, and finished at night (but not the
addresses I visited during the day).

If they absolutely need that additional information I'd be happy to give
them the first half of my postcode, which is plenty. It's 100 miles from
London, but obviously if you think it's vital for them...
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
15 Oct 2005, Clive remarked:
It's perfectly possible to dislike the invasion of privacy, due to its
tracking your movements.
Perhaps you have an HRH in front of you name and then they might be
interested. Otherwise you're paranoid. It allows LT to see where
the majority of journeys happen and can plan accordingly.
They can do that without knowing my name and address.

There is a data protection issue here, isn't there. The collection of
name and address is for different purposes (e.g. returning a lost Oyster
to you, mailshots) from the collection of data about journeys made
(making better service provision). It might be illegal to bring the two
together. If you are really worried, I suggest you ask them explicitly.
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632890.html
(33 112 at sunny Weymouth in 1985, ready to push TC's to Bournemouth)

In message , at 13:35:35 on
Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Chris Tolley remarked:
It's perfectly possible to dislike the invasion of privacy, due to its
tracking your movements.
Perhaps you have an HRH in front of you name and then they might be
interested. Otherwise you're paranoid. It allows LT to see where
the majority of journeys happen and can plan accordingly.
They can do that without knowing my name and address.

There is a data protection issue here, isn't there. The collection of
name and address is for different purposes (e.g. returning a lost Oyster
to you, mailshots) from the collection of data about journeys made
(making better service provision). It might be illegal to bring the two
together. If you are really worried, I suggest you ask them explicitly.

Data Protection is no safeguard against the sort of clandestine use
feared by those anxious to protect their privacy.
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:51:32 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:35:35 on
Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Chris Tolley remarked:
It's perfectly possible to dislike the invasion of privacy, due to its
tracking your movements.
Perhaps you have an HRH in front of you name and then they might be
interested. Otherwise you're paranoid. It allows LT to see where
the majority of journeys happen and can plan accordingly.
They can do that without knowing my name and address.

There is a data protection issue here, isn't there. The collection of
name and address is for different purposes (e.g. returning a lost Oyster
to you, mailshots) from the collection of data about journeys made
(making better service provision). It might be illegal to bring the two
together. If you are really worried, I suggest you ask them explicitly.

Data Protection is no safeguard against the sort of clandestine use
feared by those anxious to protect their privacy.

Paranioa about things like this is only going to hurt the cause when a
real threat - the NIR - comes on the scene.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

In message , James Farrar
writes
the NIR - comes on the scene.
What's NIR?
--
Clive

"Clive" wrote in message
...
In message , James Farrar
writes
the NIR - comes on the scene.
What's NIR?

As this is a travel group it must mean:
Northern Ireand Railways.

(Opps I initially wrote Island).

Tim

(Actually, I presume he means National Identity Register)

--
Clive

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:29:28 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:


"Clive" wrote in message
...
In message , James Farrar
writes
the NIR - comes on the scene.
What's NIR?

As this is a travel group it must mean:
Northern Ireand Railways.

(Opps I initially wrote Island).

Tim

(Actually, I presume he means National Identity Register)

That's the one.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:35:35 GMT, Chris Tolley
wrote:

There is a data protection issue here, isn't there. The collection of
name and address is for different purposes (e.g. returning a lost Oyster
to you, mailshots) from the collection of data about journeys made
(making better service provision). It might be illegal to bring the two
together. If you are really worried, I suggest you ask them explicitly.

You can be tracked all over the place by several means. Mobile
'phone, security cameras plus face recognition, credit card use ..
doubtless more I haven't thought of and more to come in the future.

Learn to live with it. It's useful in tracing wrong-doers. It isn't
going to go away.