Chris Hills wrote:
asdf wrote:

But the fare increases won't affect journeys from those stations.

While it's a fair point that the train companies ought to start
accepting pre-pay, Mr Pope has ended up looking a bit clueless IMO.

In addition, I believe you cannot use a railcard (eg YP) on Oyster
travel cards.

Also the passengers charter says that rail users are entitled to a
discount if punctuality falls below a certain level. This discount does
not apply to oyster period travel cards. You know where you can stick
yer oyser Ken!

"Paul" wrote in message
...
Chris Hills wrote:
asdf wrote:

But the fare increases won't affect journeys from those stations.

While it's a fair point that the train companies ought to start
accepting pre-pay, Mr Pope has ended up looking a bit clueless IMO.

In addition, I believe you cannot use a railcard (eg YP) on Oyster travel cards.

Also the passengers charter says that rail users are entitled to a discount if punctuality falls
below a certain level. This discount does not apply to oyster period travel cards. You know
where you can stick yer oyser Ken!

Not true. Where season tickets are available on Oyster from National Rail
stations (e.g. c2c/SWT etc.) they are sold on the same basis and with the
same benefits.

You would also be eligable to claim under the London Underground scheme
as well as receive the TOC related renewal discount (where applicable).

TKD wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message
...

Chris Hills wrote:

asdf wrote:


But the fare increases won't affect journeys from those stations.

While it's a fair point that the train companies ought to start
accepting pre-pay, Mr Pope has ended up looking a bit clueless IMO.

In addition, I believe you cannot use a railcard (eg YP) on Oyster travel cards.

Also the passengers charter says that rail users are entitled to a discount if punctuality falls
below a certain level. This discount does not apply to oyster period travel cards. You know
where you can stick yer oyser Ken!

Not true. Where season tickets are available on Oyster from National Rail
stations (e.g. c2c/SWT etc.) they are sold on the same basis and with the
same benefits.

You would also be eligable to claim under the London Underground scheme
as well as receive the TOC related renewal discount (where applicable).

Oysters website says:

National Rail discount

Question
My National Rail Train Operating Company, gives me a discount on the
price of my season ticket. Will I get the same discount if I get a
season ticket on Oyster?

Answer
Unfortunately not. Many Train Operating Companies offer discounts on
their Travelcards in direct relation to the quality of their past
service performance. Therefore, we are unable to take into consideration
any discounts offered by National Rail Train Operating Companies.


This kind of defeats the main advantage of oyster - buying online.

P.S. Does anyone have any info on how many National Rail stations sell
Oyster?

--
Paul

Answer
Unfortunately not. Many Train Operating Companies offer discounts on their Travelcards in direct
relation to the quality of their past service performance. Therefore, we are unable to take into
consideration any discounts offered by National Rail Train Operating Companies.


This kind of defeats the main advantage of oyster - buying online.

P.S. Does anyone have any info on how many National Rail stations sell Oyster?

That's if you buy direct from TfL or online - there is no way they could (or would want to)
calculate the discount.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...fares-2005.pdf

Page 26 of this lists the NR stations selling Oyster Cards:

Barking, Beckenham Junction, City Thameslink, Drayton Park, Ealing Broadway,
East Croydon, Essex Road, Euston, Fenchurch Street, Finsbury Park, Greenwich,
Gunnersbury, Harlesden, Harrow & Wealdstone, Kensal Green, Kensington Olympia,
Kenton, Kew Gardens, Kings Cross (Thameslink), Lewisham, Limehouse,
Liverpool Street, Marylebone, Mitcham Junction, New Cross, New Cross Gate,
North Wembley, Queen's Park, Richmond, South Kenton, Stonebridge Park,
Stratford, Upminster, Walthamstow, Wembley Central, Willesden Junction, Wimbledon

TKD wrote:
Answer
Unfortunately not. Many Train Operating Companies offer discounts on their Travelcards in direct
relation to the quality of their past service performance. Therefore, we are unable to take into
consideration any discounts offered by National Rail Train Operating Companies.


This kind of defeats the main advantage of oyster - buying online.

P.S. Does anyone have any info on how many National Rail stations sell Oyster?


That's if you buy direct from TfL or online - there is no way they could (or would want to)
calculate the discount.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...fares-2005.pdf

Page 26 of this lists the NR stations selling Oyster Cards:

Barking, Beckenham Junction, City Thameslink, Drayton Park, Ealing Broadway,
East Croydon, Essex Road, Euston, Fenchurch Street, Finsbury Park, Greenwich,
Gunnersbury, Harlesden, Harrow & Wealdstone, Kensal Green, Kensington Olympia,
Kenton, Kew Gardens, Kings Cross (Thameslink), Lewisham, Limehouse,
Liverpool Street, Marylebone, Mitcham Junction, New Cross, New Cross Gate,
North Wembley, Queen's Park, Richmond, South Kenton, Stonebridge Park,
Stratford, Upminster, Walthamstow, Wembley Central, Willesden Junction, Wimbledon

Most (all?) of these are tube/tram/DLR too! Funny that

That's if you buy direct from TfL or online - there is no way they could (or would want to)
calculate the discount.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...fares-2005.pdf

Page 26 of this lists the NR stations selling Oyster Cards:

Barking, Beckenham Junction, City Thameslink, Drayton Park, Ealing Broadway,
East Croydon, Essex Road, Euston, Fenchurch Street, Finsbury Park, Greenwich,
Gunnersbury, Harlesden, Harrow & Wealdstone, Kensal Green, Kensington Olympia,
Kenton, Kew Gardens, Kings Cross (Thameslink), Lewisham, Limehouse,
Liverpool Street, Marylebone, Mitcham Junction, New Cross, New Cross Gate,
North Wembley, Queen's Park, Richmond, South Kenton, Stonebridge Park,
Stratford, Upminster, Walthamstow, Wembley Central, Willesden Junction, Wimbledon

Most (all?) of these are tube/tram/DLR too! Funny that

Yes. There isn't much incentive for say SET to start selling Oyster Cards at Bromley South.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tick...fares-2005.pdf

Page 26 of this lists the NR stations selling Oyster Cards:

Barking, Beckenham Junction, City Thameslink, Drayton Park, Ealing Broadway,
East Croydon, Essex Road, Euston, Fenchurch Street, Finsbury Park, Greenwich,
Gunnersbury, Harlesden, Harrow & Wealdstone, Kensal Green, Kensington Olympia,
Kenton, Kew Gardens, Kings Cross (Thameslink), Lewisham, Limehouse,
Liverpool Street, Marylebone, Mitcham Junction, New Cross, New Cross Gate,
North Wembley, Queen's Park, Richmond, South Kenton, Stonebridge Park,
Stratford, Upminster, Walthamstow, Wembley Central, Willesden Junction, Wimbledon

Most (all?) of these are tube/tram/DLR too! Funny that

Yes. There isn't much incentive for say SET to start selling Oyster Cards at Bromley South.

Do SET actually sell Oyster cards at all? I am just wondering as I've
tried to get a SET-based Travelcard before from their stations
(obviously for the passenger charter discount). I've tried Greenwich
(who stared at me blankly as if I was talking some foreign language
when I asked them) and Lewisham have a big sign saying "We are unable
to issue Oyster cards or prepay at present .. sorry for the
inconvience" on the ticket office windows. I saw the notice was still
on there today - not that it looks like they'll be bothering to resolve
that anytime soon.

I've not tried New Cross though (maybe being a NR/Underground station
and not a NR/DLR station makes a difference?). Just wondering if anyone
has actually managed to get one, assuming they exist?

It seems there is quite a difference between the NR stations Transport
For Livingstone believes issues Oyster cards, and the ones that
actually do.

Alex.

"TKD" wrote in message
...
Also the passengers charter says that rail users are entitled to a
discount if punctuality falls below a certain level. This discount does
not apply to oyster period travel cards. You know where you can stick
yer oyser Ken!

Not true. Where season tickets are available on Oyster from National Rail
stations (e.g. c2c/SWT etc.) they are sold on the same basis and with the
same benefits.

So if you were to buy a ticket from Wimbledon on your Oyster card you would
receive a National Rail discount if due as well?

Would this apply to travelcards (say Zone 1-3) as well as season tickets
(Wimbledon to Waterloo) and do they have to be any minimum legth
(weekly/monthly etc)

Are these National Rail % discounts listed anywhere?

Regards
Sunil

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:57:58 +0100, "Sunil Sood"
wrote:

So if you were to buy a ticket from Wimbledon on your Oyster card you would
receive a National Rail discount if due as well?

You would receive the same discount, if any, as holders of SWT paper
Travelcard seasons.

Would this apply to travelcards (say Zone 1-3)

Yes

as well as season tickets (Wimbledon to Waterloo)

These tickets are not available on Oyster.

and do they have to be any minimum length (weekly/monthly etc)

The minimum is 1 month.

Are these National Rail % discounts listed anywhere?

Err, pass. The individual TOC websites should have them though.

asdf wrote:
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:57:58 +0100, "Sunil Sood"
wrote:

So if you were to buy a ticket from Wimbledon on your Oyster card you would
receive a National Rail discount if due as well?

You would receive the same discount, if any, as holders of SWT paper
Travelcard seasons.

Small clarification. The discount is only when you *renew* a ticket.

--
Paul