Instead, they copped out and introduced unreasonably high single
fares.

For those stupid enough not to use Oyster.

Exactly. Anyone foolish enough to pay £3 instead of £1 for their journey
has no right to complain. (A single outside Zone1 from 2006)

People not from London can stop complaining too. Londoners deserve
cheaper fares, in fact we pay in part for the costs of the Underground
through our council tax so I'm perfectly happy to no longer subsidise
tourists and visitors who, for whatever reason, do not adopt Oyster.

And finally the people in London but on National Rail routes who claim
to be excluded. What rubbish - are you telling me you never use the bus?
Get an Oyster card and you can start saving when you do. You don't even
pay tube level fares when you do use the train. Point to point fares are
often much less than zonal fares. Those routes that are charged at LUL
rates are the same routes that went over to Oyster prepay in the first place
anyway. And why focus your anger at TfL or Ken like the Evening Standard
or the Daily Mail instructed you to? Lobby the train companies!!

In article ,
(TKD) wrote:

People not from London can stop complaining too. Londoners deserve
cheaper fares, in fact we pay in part for the costs of the Underground
through our council tax so I'm perfectly happy to no longer subsidise
tourists and visitors who, for whatever reason, do not adopt Oyster.

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through my
general taxes than they do.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:00 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through my
general taxes than they do.

Why? How much of their Council Tax goes to TFL? How much of yours?
You offer no evidence on how much "general taxation" either of you
pay, and where it goes. What a silly post.

In message , at 12:52:53 on
Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Laurence Payne
remarked:
My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through my
general taxes than they do.

Why? How much of their Council Tax goes to TFL? How much of yours?
You offer no evidence on how much "general taxation" either of you
pay, and where it goes.

These days Council Tax is a general tax because the rate is set (within
very narrow limits) by the Government.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:03:51 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through my
general taxes than they do.

Why? How much of their Council Tax goes to TFL? How much of yours?
You offer no evidence on how much "general taxation" either of you
pay, and where it goes.

These days Council Tax is a general tax because the rate is set (within
very narrow limits) by the Government.
--

But we knew what he meant, didn't we? :-)

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at 12:52:53 on
Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Laurence Payne
remarked:
My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through
my general taxes than they do.

Why? How much of their Council Tax goes to TFL? How much of yours?
You offer no evidence on how much "general taxation" either of you
pay, and where it goes.

These days Council Tax is a general tax because the rate is set (within

very narrow limits) by the Government.

and much more of local government funding comes from general taxes (i.e.
anything except Council Tax). That was my point.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(TKD) wrote:

People not from London can stop complaining too. Londoners deserve
cheaper fares, in fact we pay in part for the costs of the Underground
through our council tax so I'm perfectly happy to no longer subsidise
tourists and visitors who, for whatever reason, do not adopt Oyster.

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through my
general taxes than they do.

That's because Wandsworth has the lowest CT in the country (or did last
year when I lived there). Try looking nextdoor at Richmond (where I
live now) - it's twice the price!

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(TKD) wrote:

People not from London can stop complaining too. Londoners deserve
cheaper fares, in fact we pay in part for the costs of the
Underground through our council tax so I'm perfectly happy to no
longer subsidise tourists and visitors who, for whatever reason,
do not adopt Oyster.

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council
Tax than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL
through my general taxes than they do.

That's because they're in the London Borough of Wandsworth, famous for
setting a zero poll tax, and which still has a very low council tax
rate. I assume that by some quirk of government funding, LBW have
managed to get an extremely favourable deal. If your parents were
across the river in Fulham, their council tax would be 83% higher (or
90% higher if they're not subject to the Commons rate).
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council
Tax than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL
through my general taxes than they do.

That's because they're in the London Borough of Wandsworth, famous for
setting a zero poll tax, and which still has a very low council tax
rate. I assume that by some quirk of government funding, LBW have
managed to get an extremely favourable deal. If your parents were
across the river in Fulham, their council tax would be 83% higher (or
90% higher if they're not subject to the Commons rate).

Yet total local government spending in Wandsworth is some 50% higher
than in Cambridge. It's corrupt.

I thought the Commons rate was banded by distance from the commons, BTW?
My parents have always paid but I thought not in the highest band.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council
Tax than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL
through my general taxes than they do.

That's because they're in the London Borough of Wandsworth, famous
for setting a zero poll tax, and which still has a very low
council tax rate. I assume that by some quirk of government
funding, LBW have managed to get an extremely favourable deal. If
your parents were across the river in Fulham, their council tax
would be 83% higher (or 90% higher if they're not subject to the
Commons rate).

Yet total local government spending in Wandsworth is some 50% higher
than in Cambridge. It's corrupt.

I thought the Commons rate was banded by distance from the commons,
BTW? My parents have always paid but I thought not in the highest
band.

I wasn't aware of it until I looked up the rates on the Wandsworth site
tonight. There seems to be one Commons rate (per council tax band) that
applies IIRC within 0.75 miles of the Putney/Wimbledon common and within
the old parish of Putney.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)