In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a mile.
So perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have a blind
spot when it comes to knowing where to buy them.

We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere
than work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.

Them being sufficiently imprecise to non-Polish speakers to decide not
to bother. Or the kiosks weren't open. One or the other.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a mile.
So perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have a blind
spot when it comes to knowing where to buy them.

We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere
than work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.

Them being sufficiently imprecise to non-Polish speakers to decide not
to bother. Or the kiosks weren't open. One or the other.

They are all over the place.

They are bright green.

They are open (almost) all hours.

tim

In article ,
(tim \(moved to sweden\)) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a
mile. So perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have
a blind spot when it comes to knowing where to buy them.

We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere
than work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.

Them being sufficiently imprecise to non-Polish speakers to decide no
t
to bother. Or the kiosks weren't open. One or the other.

They are all over the place.

They are bright green.

They are open (almost) all hours.

Not when I tried one.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a mile.
So perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have a blind
spot when it comes to knowing where to buy them.

We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere
than work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Many places seem to assume visitors will use taxis for everything.

Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.

Them being sufficiently imprecise to non-Polish speakers to decide not
to bother. Or the kiosks weren't open. One or the other.

IIRC on some Polish trams you even need a separate ticket for your
bag.

Debrecen in Hungary has excellent information on ticketing options in
multiple languages at its tram stops. Unlike somewhere I've forgotten
where I once went, where the tourist-specific literature was only
available in the local language, which was Basque or Slovenian or
something else which visitors would be pretty unlikely to speak.

When I went to Charleroi the tram ticket office wouldn't sell me a day
ticket until an English-speaking native stepped in to help me. The
staff were convinced that I must have thought I was in Brussels, as
they thought no-one in their right mind would go to their city.

The Dutch Strippenkaart is in the process of being replaced by a
national all-modes smart card, but I believe it is delayed because of
various problems with it. Denmark has just awarded the same people a
contract for a national smart card.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:09:05 +0100, Arthur Figgis
] wrote:

The Dutch Strippenkaart is in the process of being replaced by a
national all-modes smart card, but I believe it is delayed because of
various problems with it. Denmark has just awarded the same people a
contract for a national smart card.

I wonder if the new scheme will include NS trains, as the
Strippenkaart doesn't, for some reason I completely fail to understand
in the land of "integrated" passenger transport ticketing.

Neil

--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

Neil Williams wrote:

I wonder if the new scheme will include NS trains, as the
Strippenkaart doesn't, for some reason I completely fail to understand
in the land of "integrated" passenger transport ticketing.

Are you sure about this? I have used one on NS journeys within Amsterdam
some years ago; maybe the system has changed since then?

--
John Ray, London UK.

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:35:10 +0100, John Ray
wrote:

Are you sure about this? I have used one on NS journeys within Amsterdam
some years ago; maybe the system has changed since then?

Quite possibly. NS don't even sell them now.

That said, there may be a "Verbundtarif" going on in the greater
Amsterdam area. They certainly don't only have Strippenkaarts, but
also their own area day tickets and similar.

Annoyingly, said Verbundtarif ends just before Schiphol.

Neil

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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:10:23 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:
That said, there may be a "Verbundtarif" going on in the greater
Amsterdam area. They certainly don't only have Strippenkaarts, but
also their own area day tickets and similar.

Annoyingly, said Verbundtarif ends just before Schiphol.

Yes, and this is the area in which you can use a Strippenkaart on the
train, indeed a pain that it ends before the airport.

As it says on
http://www.gvb.nl/reizigers/kaartjek...ppenkaart.html

you can use the Strippenkaart at:

"Bijlmer - Duivendrecht - Amstel - Muiderpoort - Amsterdam Centraal -
Sloterdijk - Lelylaan, Zuid WTC - RAI - Duivendrecht - Diemen-Zuid en
Muiderpoort - Diemen."

U kunt dus *niet* met uw strippenkaart [...] naar Schiphol."

(and the same to you!)

Richard.

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:12:09 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:09:05 +0100, Arthur Figgis
] wrote:

The Dutch Strippenkaart is in the process of being replaced by a
national all-modes smart card, but I believe it is delayed because of
various problems with it. Denmark has just awarded the same people a
contract for a national smart card.

I wonder if the new scheme will include NS trains, as the
Strippenkaart doesn't, for some reason I completely fail to understand
in the land of "integrated" passenger transport ticketing.

I think so. It is/was being tested on the Hook of Holland - Rotterdam
NS line.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

"Arthur Figgis" ] wrote in message
...
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:


We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere
than work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Many places seem to assume visitors will use taxis for everything.

That's because many Americans do. And as I have posted before,
IME it is common for non first language English speakers not to
be able to tell the difference between the various English language
countries' accents (strange as it may seem to you and I).


Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.

Them being sufficiently imprecise to non-Polish speakers to decide not
to bother. Or the kiosks weren't open. One or the other.

IIRC on some Polish trams you even need a separate ticket for your
bag.

You do in Milan as well.

Debrecen in Hungary has excellent information on ticketing options in
multiple languages at its tram stops. Unlike somewhere I've forgotten
where I once went, where the tourist-specific literature was only
available in the local language, which was Basque or Slovenian or
something else which visitors would be pretty unlikely to speak.

What I find annoying is some countries[1] insistance on translating,
into multiple languages, the instructions for using the machine (put
money in slot etc), which IMHO a child the age of 10 can work
out for themselves and keeping the complicated zonal rules only
in the home language. How on earth can I "press the button for
the correct ticket for you journey" if you haven't told me how I
can work out what actually is the correct ticket for my journey.

When I went to Charleroi the tram ticket office wouldn't sell me a day
ticket until an English-speaking native stepped in to help me. The
staff were convinced that I must have thought I was in Brussels, as
they thought no-one in their right mind would go to their city.

The Dutch Strippenkaart is in the process of being replaced by a
national all-modes smart card, but I believe it is delayed because of
various problems with it. Denmark has just awarded the same people a
contract for a national smart card.

EDS :-(

tim

[1] Switzerland is top of my hit list, I think there are others.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK