On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:48:51 +0100, wrote:



Ah, but wait until the DLR extension opens. Then Stratford will be the
_only_ station with DLR services on two levels! (I bet it confuses a
lot of pax, trying to get to Stratford International and getting on a
train to Canary Wharf instead, because that's the only DLR platform on
that level!)


Ah, no it won't. Canning Town will also have DLR platforms at 2 levels.
Guessing which level to go to for the next train could be fun. Not!

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Peter Masson wrote:
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ISTR that the NLL services will be switched to terminate at the High
Level platforms when the route south of Stratford closes - numbers
12/13(?) - which will mean one less of the few stations with mainline
services on two levels.


Will the NLL use these platforms, or will they be used for Lea Valley
trains, with the NLL being provided with new platforms?

The changes mean that another station will lose National Rail services on
two levels - West Ham only got platforms on the NLL in, IIRC, the 1980s, and
c2c platforms more recently than that, and now the NLL platforms will, as
with Stratford LL, be transferred to DLR. However, along the NLL, Highbury &
Islington and Willesden Junction will retain a bilevel existence.

Peter



I believe the plan is for two new NLL platforms just to the north of
existing platforms 11 and 12, leaving these free for Lea Valley services
(sure to be increased when Stansted expands).

Regards,

Steve M

wrote:
Peter Masson wrote:
wrote
ISTR that the NLL services will be switched to terminate at the High
Level platforms when the route south of Stratford closes - numbers
12/13(?) - which will mean one less of the few stations with mainline
services on two levels.

Will the NLL use these platforms, or will they be used for Lea Valley
trains, with the NLL being provided with new platforms?

A good question: I don't honestly know for certain. At one time there
was a proposal to send NLL trains on beyond Stratford to Walthamstow,
via a reinstated Hall Farm Curve and a new up-side bay at Walthamstow
Central. Obviously if that happens sometime in the future there should
be enough capacity with the existing pair of platforms at Stratford to
handle these and a couple of Lea Valley services per hour.

However, the Hall Farm Curve is certainly not going to happen in the
immediate future, so the NLL trains must terminate at Stratford.
Perhaps the Lea Valley services can use one platform, NLL another? Two
Lea Valley reversers per hour could be handled comfortably, but I'm not
sure about the four NLL services per hour - in theory it's possible,
but fairly tight.

The NLL service is actually meant to be increasing to 6tph by 2012, so
there will be somewhat a greater problem.

There's no capacity to send NLL trains beyond Stratford up the Lea
Valley line - too many Stansted Expresses wandering around to allow
them to reverse at, for example, Tottenham Hale.

I suspect that some deal to reinstate Hall Farm Curve will come as part
of the Olympic package, reopening Lea Bridge station and possibly with
a new station near the stadium site. Waltham Forest Council is
certainly keen on it, and it would make sense for the post-Olympic
regeneration to open this route up again.



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www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

"Steve M" wrote in message
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Peter Masson wrote:
wrote

ISTR that the NLL services will be switched to terminate at the High
Level platforms when the route south of Stratford closes - numbers
12/13(?) - which will mean one less of the few stations with mainline
services on two levels.


Will the NLL use these platforms, or will they be used for Lea Valley
trains, with the NLL being provided with new platforms?

The changes mean that another station will lose National Rail services
on
two levels - West Ham only got platforms on the NLL in, IIRC, the 1980s,
and
c2c platforms more recently than that, and now the NLL platforms will,
as
with Stratford LL, be transferred to DLR. However, along the NLL,
Highbury &
Islington and Willesden Junction will retain a bilevel existence.

Peter



I believe the plan is for two new NLL platforms just to the north of
existing platforms 11 and 12, leaving these free for Lea Valley services
(sure to be increased when Stansted expands).

Correct - trains will terminate at Low Level until these are constructed.

TM

On 9/10/05 1:27 am, in article , "Dave Arquati"
wrote:

The NLL service is actually meant to be increasing to 6tph by 2012, so
there will be somewhat a greater problem.

And to think that it almost closed (to passengers) not so very long ago.
Even at the time of the Broad Street closure it was still very much a
backwater of the system.

I think i bought a new pair of knackers there once.

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I think i bought a new pair of knackers there once.

Oh matron!

Ronnie