"turbo" wrote in message
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I would like to be able to buy an Oyster reader (similar to that used
by inspectors) so I can check that my Oyster has been processed
correctly after boarding a bus or tram.

The problem is you have no proof that you have paid - at least if I had
an Oyster reader if I see a problem with my card I can try to validate
my Oyster Card again.

Just think what could happen with a contactless system to read the data on
the card , when it falls in the hands of those using it for fraudulent
reasons..
Just mingle in an underground train with the punters, and obtain all of
the personal data stored on it...

Is there a reason why you think that there is personal
data actually stored on the card.

Surely all it has on it is journey information/costs and some
reference back into a database so that it can be updated
when you add funds.

tim

"Roger R" wrote in message
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"Alan J. Flavell" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Roger R wrote:

In this country you are innocent until proved guilty.

However, increasing numbers of offences are based solely on the
factual evidence, without any need to prove *intention*.
[snip]

Speed trap cameras are in this catagory too.
(not sour grapes I've never been snapped - AFAIK)

Speeding is an absolute offense.

Travelling without a ticket is not.

tim

In article . ac.uk,
Alan J. Flavell writes
In this country you are innocent until proved guilty.
However, increasing numbers of offences are based solely on the
factual evidence, without any need to prove *intention*.

And in many other cases the defendant has to prove - at least on the
balance of probabilities - that a statutory defence applies.

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, tim (moved to sweden) wrote:

Speeding is an absolute offense.

"offence", in the UK.

Travelling without a ticket is not.

On national rail, at least, it's a byelaw offence to be in a
compulsory ticket area without a valid ticket.

"Alan J. Flavell" wrote in message
. gla.ac.uk...
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, tim (moved to sweden) wrote:

Speeding is an absolute offense.

"offence", in the UK.

Travelling without a ticket is not.

On national rail, at least, it's a byelaw offence to be in a
compulsory ticket area without a valid ticket.

punishable by penalty fare, not by criminal convection.

tim

Hi Nick

Long time no hear. I'd forgotten that you'd moved down south to London.
Must go for a drink some time.

Jerry Alderson
(also at virgin dot net.)

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, tim (moved to sweden) wrote:

On national rail, at least, it's a byelaw offence to be in a
compulsory ticket area without a valid ticket.

punishable by penalty fare, not by criminal convection.

The punter /may/ get the opportunity to pay the penalty fare, but
prosecution is another option available. Which option is used,
depends on circumstances, AIUI.

In message , at 19:25:21 on Fri, 21 Oct
2005, "tim (moved to sweden)" remarked:

punishable by penalty fare, not by criminal convection.

wossat? A load of hot air?
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Roland Perry

On 21 Oct 2005 07:01:38 -0700, "Richard Adamfi"
wrote:

However, if you request to see the CCTV but it is no longer available,
then the fact that you were willing to request the CCTV shows strong
evidence in your favour of your innocence.

Not if you were confident it wouldn't be available :-)

"Alan J. Flavell" wrote in message
. gla.ac.uk...
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, tim (moved to sweden) wrote:

On national rail, at least, it's a byelaw offence to be in a
compulsory ticket area without a valid ticket.

punishable by penalty fare, not by criminal convection.

The punter /may/ get the opportunity to pay the penalty fare, but
prosecution is another option available.

But then the evidence of 'intent' is required.
It is the poster's contention that this wasn't required. This
is only true where the penalty applied is the penalty fare.

tim

Which option is used,
depends on circumstances, AIUI.