Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
"nightjar" nightjar@insert my surname here.uk.comtyped



"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...

Sometimes a traffic light that you know very well seems to have a
Windows moment and will inexplicably remain on red for ages. If
you are in a one-way road and a traffic light breaks down showing
red, you can't back out out of it and so would have to go through
it eventually. Does the law say anything about how long a traffic
light has to stay on red before you are allowed to go through it?
Or are you legally required to sit there for days with the cars
behind beeping at you until an engineer fixes it?...

It is an absolute offence to cross the stop line or to pass the
light when a red light is showing.

AIUI you can squeeze past a red light if you think the traffic
lights are out of order. The OP waited five minutes and then had
good reason to believe this was the case.

Likewise, cyclists whose machines do not trigger sensors are not
obliged to die of exposure for that reason.

Cyclists can always dismount and walk across the junction.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Richard J." typed


Likewise, cyclists whose machines do not trigger sensors are not
obliged to die of exposure for that reason.

Cyclists can always dismount and walk across the junction.

It is still an offence to pass the stop line whilst wheeling a bicycle though.

There is no particular necessity to dismount.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
"Richard J." typed


Likewise, cyclists whose machines do not trigger sensors are not
obliged to die of exposure for that reason.

Cyclists can always dismount and walk across the junction.

It is still an offence to pass the stop line whilst wheeling a
bicycle though.

Really? I thought if you wheeled a bicycle you became a pedestrian, as
with a shopping trolley.

Anyway, if you wheel your bicycle past the stop line on the pavement,
surely you count as a pedestrian then?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote in
:

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
"Richard J." typed


Likewise, cyclists whose machines do not trigger sensors are not
obliged to die of exposure for that reason.

Cyclists can always dismount and walk across the junction.

It is still an offence to pass the stop line whilst wheeling a
bicycle though.

Really? I thought if you wheeled a bicycle you became a pedestrian,
as with a shopping trolley.

Anyway, if you wheel your bicycle past the stop line on the pavement,
surely you count as a pedestrian then?

It's certainly not an offence to wheel a bike the wrong way down a one-way
street: there's a cycle route in the centre of the town where I live which
signposts cyclists to do this - with big "Cyclists must dismount" signs.

Having said this, the National Trust have prohibited cyclists from wheeling
or even carrying (not riding) their bikes along a footpath through the
grounds of Quarry Bank Mill in Cheshire, and Oxford University bans bicycles
(even if wheeled or carried) from University Park and Christ Church Meadow,
so it looks as if a person pushing a bike doesn't *totally* become a
pedestrian!

"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
...

It's certainly not an offence to wheel a bike the wrong way down a one-way
street:

What about pushing a car?

"Richard J." wrote in message
Anyway, if you wheel your bicycle past the stop line on the pavement,
surely you count as a pedestrian then?

How often have you seen a cyclist dismount before using the pavement? They
normally ride along the pavement and expect pedestrians to jump out of the
way, even though it has been offence for 180 years to ride on the pavement.
The police no longer enforce the no cycling on the pavement law as can be
clearly seen in dft_foi_037604.pdf. In 1984 there were 1991 successful
prosecution for cycling on the pavement. By 2003 there were only 82.

Similarly, in 1982 there were 4441 successful prosecution of cyclists for
lighting and reflector offences. By 2003 this had dropped to 166. Careless
and reckless cycling offences peak on the table mentioned above at 398 in
1983. By 2003 they had dropped to 77.

According to dft_transstats_031373, 214 pedestrians were hit by cyclists, 38
were seriously injured and 4 killed. I don't suppose that those injured and
the relatives of those killed by cyclists think that dangerous cycling is as
trivial as the police obviously now do.

Ian

In message , Ian
writes

How often have you seen a cyclist dismount before using the pavement? They
normally ride along the pavement and expect pedestrians to jump out of the
way, even though it has been offence for 180 years to ride on the pavement.
The police no longer enforce the no cycling on the pavement law as can be
clearly seen in dft_foi_037604.pdf. In 1984 there were 1991 successful
prosecution for cycling on the pavement. By 2003 there were only 82.

Perhaps that's because the police now issue on-the-spot penalty notices
rather than prosecuting. This has happened to more than one person I
know in recent months.

--
Paul Terry

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
In message Ian writes

How often have you seen a cyclist dismount before using the pavement? They
normally ride along the pavement and expect pedestrians to jump out of the
way, even though it has been offence for 180 years to ride on the
pavement.
The police no longer enforce the no cycling on the pavement law as can be
clearly seen in dft_foi_037604.pdf. In 1984 there were 1991 successful
prosecution for cycling on the pavement. By 2003 there were only 82.

Perhaps that's because the police now issue on-the-spot penalty notices
rather than prosecuting. This has happened to more than one person I know
in recent months.


Maybe, but this is not borne out by looking at the figures. There were 1,991
prosecutions for cycling on the pavement in 1984, this reduced to 276 in
1991. It then went up to 933 in 1998 and down again to 82 in 2003. Other
figures don't suggest that the number of cyclists followed this pattern and
I according to my local police, Nips for cyclists is a new thing. If
anything cyclists have become less likely to comply with the law from my own
observations.

I have seen this year cyclists ride passed policemen on the pavement without
comment and through a pedestrian precinct right passed the no cycling sign,
again without comment. At night it is unusual to spot a cyclist with lights
on in town and as for cycling through red traffic lights during the
pedestrian crossing phase.......



Ian

"Ian" wrote in message
...

SNIP

I have seen this year cyclists ride passed policemen on the pavement
without
comment and through a pedestrian precinct right passed the no cycling
sign,
again without comment. At night it is unusual to spot a cyclist with
lights
on in town and as for cycling through red traffic lights during the
pedestrian crossing phase.......
Ian

You frequently see cyclists, usually kids, cycling across zebra crossings
which is an offence but I doubt anybody ever told them that !!
Baz

Ian wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message
Anyway, if you wheel your bicycle past the stop line on the pavement,
surely you count as a pedestrian then?

How often have you seen a cyclist dismount before using the pavement? They
normally ride along the pavement and expect pedestrians to jump out of the
way, even though it has been offence for 180 years to ride on the pavement.
The police no longer enforce the no cycling on the pavement law as can be
clearly seen in dft_foi_037604.pdf. In 1984 there were 1991 successful
prosecution for cycling on the pavement. By 2003 there were only 82.

Similarly, in 1982 there were 4441 successful prosecution of cyclists for
lighting and reflector offences. By 2003 this had dropped to 166. Careless
and reckless cycling offences peak on the table mentioned above at 398 in
1983. By 2003 they had dropped to 77.

According to dft_transstats_031373, 214 pedestrians were hit by cyclists, 38
were seriously injured and 4 killed. I don't suppose that those injured and
the relatives of those killed by cyclists think that dangerous cycling is as
trivial as the police obviously now do.

Although certainly the numbers "caught" have gone down, as someone else
said, it's now a fixed penalty notice job. In Kensington & Chelsea they
are certainly having a crackdown on cyclists riding on the pavement.

As a cyclist (some days of the week), it annoys me to see people do this
(and to see cyclists going through red lights) as it makes everyone more
hostile towards cyclists (although that's been discussed at great length
here before!).


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London