"Nick" wrote in message
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And to include Swanley?. Both stations are within the M25 area and are
included in the Freedom Pass area (and quite sensibly too...)

Dartford in particular is an important interchange for the three lines to
the west through Bexley.

Are there any precedents for stations outside the Greater London boundary
being in the Travelcard area?

Thames Ditton and Hampton Court stations are outside the GL boundary, and
when teh zonal scheme came in were outside the Travelcard boundary, but this
was quickly amended to include them.

Grange Hill, Chigwell, Roding Valley and Loughton are olutside GL, but have
always been included within Zone 6. Zone 6 has subsequently been extended to
include the Loughton - Epping section of the Central Line.

Elstree is outside GL, but is now within Zone 6.

You can get to Dartford or Swanley using a Travelcard, but you have to
travel by bus. The Cannon Street - Sidcup - Abbey Wood - Cannon Street
roundabout trains stray across the GL boundary between Crayford and Slade
Green, but a Zone 6 Travelcard is valid.

Peter

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...

"Nick" wrote in message
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And to include Swanley?. Both stations are within the M25 area and are
included in the Freedom Pass area (and quite sensibly too...)

Dartford in particular is an important interchange for the three lines
to
the west through Bexley.

Are there any precedents for stations outside the Greater London
boundary
being in the Travelcard area?

Thames Ditton and Hampton Court stations are outside the GL boundary, and
when teh zonal scheme came in were outside the Travelcard boundary, but
this
was quickly amended to include them.

Grange Hill, Chigwell, Roding Valley and Loughton are olutside GL, but
have
always been included within Zone 6. Zone 6 has subsequently been extended
to
include the Loughton - Epping section of the Central Line.

Elstree is outside GL, but is now within Zone 6.

You can get to Dartford or Swanley using a Travelcard, but you have to
travel by bus. The Cannon Street - Sidcup - Abbey Wood - Cannon Street
roundabout trains stray across the GL boundary between Crayford and Slade
Green, but a Zone 6 Travelcard is valid.

Hmm, I can't understand why they won't consider inclusion of Dartford then.
Is it relatively a lot more expensive to include a national rail station
just outside then a tube station just outside? I guess so.

Dartford is such an important interchange for lines through an outer London
borough. The case is compelling, but TfL won't hear of it.

Actually, I can't believe it would actually cost *that* much in the grand
scheme of the TfL budget and would actually make a real difference for us
Z1-6 Travelcard holders...

Nick

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Nick ),
in message who said:
"Peter Masson" wrote in message

Dartford is such an important interchange for lines through an outer
London borough. The case is compelling, but TfL won't hear of it.

Actually, I can't believe it would actually cost *that* much in the
grand scheme of the TfL budget and would actually make a real
difference for us Z1-6 Travelcard holders...


It might cost *that* much if they have to give up the £2.50 made every time
someone with travelcard 1-6 cover wants to go there - as I did last
Saturday.

That's ridiculous, it really is. For half the cost of a 1-6 travelcard, and
all day travel across the entire capital, you get a return ticket from the
boundary to Dartford.

If anything, it would be more profitable for TfL to create more unzoned
enclaves, within the existing zonal system. Take Clapham Junction out of the
zones for example. They could make a fortune.

BTN

Ben Nunn writes
It might cost *that* much if they have to give up the £2.50 made every
time someone with travelcard 1-6 cover wants to go there - as I did
last Saturday.

That's ridiculous, it really is. For half the cost of a 1-6 travelcard,
and all day travel across the entire capital, you get a return ticket
from the boundary to Dartford.

If anything, it would be more profitable for TfL to create more unzoned
enclaves, within the existing zonal system. Take Clapham Junction out
of the zones for example. They could make a fortune.

And pray tell, precisely what do TfL have to do with the cost of a
boundary Z6 to Dartford ticket?

--
Dave

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anouncing
Actually, I can't believe it would actually cost *that* much in the grand
scheme of the TfL budget and would actually make a real difference for us
Z1-6 Travelcard holders...

Why not just have zone 7? You could put all the tube ABCD
zones into it, move the stations that are actually outside
Z6 into it and fix a few other anomalies.

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In uk.railway, (PRAR) writes:

Why not just have zone 7? You could put all the tube ABCD
zones into it, move the stations that are actually outside
Z6 into it and fix a few other anomalies.

As well as making a good excuse for increasing the price of an
all-zone travelcard.

"Graham Murray" wrote in message
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In uk.railway, (PRAR) writes:

Why not just have zone 7? You could put all the tube ABCD
zones into it, move the stations that are actually outside
Z6 into it and fix a few other anomalies.

As well as making a good excuse for increasing the price of an
all-zone travelcard.

And twenty years down the line Edinburgh and Glasgow are in Zone 15..... ;-)

Nick

And lo, Graham Murray spake unto
us all anouncing

In uk.railway, (PRAR) writes:

Why not just have zone 7? You could put all the tube ABCD
zones into it, move the stations that are actually outside
Z6 into it and fix a few other anomalies.

As well as making a good excuse for increasing the price of an
all-zone travelcard.

Yep, you'd not be able to get the Z1-6 daily just the Z1-7.
You may need to keep the Z1-4 (it's basically an all zone
bus pass with a bit of rail validity) and the Z1-2). The
Z2-7 would replace the Z2-6 with comensurate price rise.

Does the travelcard revenue cover it's costs or is it
supported through national (SRA) and local (TFL) government
subsidy? If it's supported then some input from the other
local authorities will be required (which I can't see them
stumping up voluntarily), but if it's the reverse then why
not.

I'd try to include Caterham, Tattenham Corner, Epsom Downs,
Watford, St Albans, Dartford, Staines, Chafford Hundred and
Cheshunt in zone 7 for starters. Windsor, Woking, Slough,
etc may be a bit too far though.

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PRAR writes
You may need to keep the Z1-4 (it's basically an all zone bus pass with
a bit of rail validity)

The Z1 Travelcard can be described as "an all-zone bus pass with a bit
of rail validity". The Z1-4 gives a *lot* of rail validity.

*All* Travelcards, irrespective of their zonal validity, can be used
throughout the TfL bus network.

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Dave

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:25:28 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Masson"
wrote:


You can get to Dartford or Swanley using a Travelcard, but you have to
travel by bus. The Cannon Street - Sidcup - Abbey Wood - Cannon Street
roundabout trains stray across the GL boundary between Crayford and Slade
Green, but a Zone 6 Travelcard is valid.

Peter

You can get to Slough (route 81), Dorking (route 465), Redhill (route
405) and Watford Junction (routes 142/258) by Travelcard - but only on
the bus...

Rob.
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk