In article , Paul paulroberthill_
writes
Seen them once many years ago on a central line train just before Ealing
Broadway.

One Saturday going to Ealing Broadway my ticket was checked on the
Central Line. Then I got on a bus, and it was checked again.
--
Thoss

I can't quite understand what they were checking though, as everyone
they stopped had already gone through the exit barrier with their
Oyster - and they were asking to scan them. They didn't seem to care
about those, like me, with paper tickets.

Excuse me, possibly stupid: How far does LU reserve the right to check
your
ticket after passing the gates or leaving a bus? Honestly, after I passed
the gates I would have thought I left their area of control.

I'd agree with that when it comes to having left a bus, but they have the
right to ask to inspect your ticket anywhere on LU premises.

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them you just
entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

Well if they'd just seen you pass through the exit gates or you emerged from
a direction where there were only exit gates then I should imagine they'd be
disinclined to believe you. As far as I am aware you don't actually have to
be caught in the act of breaching the bye-laws, only for it to be reasonable
to believe that you have done so.

TKD wrote:
"Andrea" wrote in message
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Are there ever any ticket inspections on the London Underground? Yes,
there are barriers at all stations but I would have thought that LUL
would also have roving patrols of inspectors randomly checking tickets
on board tube trains to catch any fare dodgers?

I've worked in London for several years and only ever come across one roving patrol which were out
at the far end of the Piccadilly Line near Heathrow.


Lived here all my life. Only place ticket has been checked other than at a barrier
is at Green Park in the interchange tunnels. I would guess trying to spot people
with Z2 only tickets travelling through Z1.

Been checked on a train once or maybe twice in 8 years.

At interchanges/exits, many more times, maybe 30. (But if you ignore the
time I lived in Finsbury Park, you can reduce that down to about five ;-)

Last time was at Warren Street interchange a few weeks ago.

Andrea wrote:
Are there ever any ticket inspections on the London Underground? Yes,
there are barriers at all stations but I would have thought that LUL
would also have roving patrols of inspectors randomly checking tickets
on board tube trains to catch any fare dodgers?

I see them quite often, they don't wander round inspecting tickets so
much as target a station in a big group.

There were a load at Finsbury Park (which has no barriers) last week
with police officers and dogs. At FP they even put up a notice in the
ticket office listing what they found last time.

Often ticket inspectors target interchanges and stand in the passageway
checking them. AIUI there are usually uniformed inspectors with
plain-clothed ones behind so that those who turn the corner, spot the
inspector and then turn back are also caught

"Graham J" wrote in message
...
I can't quite understand what they were checking though, as everyone
they stopped had already gone through the exit barrier with their
Oyster - and they were asking to scan them. They didn't seem to care
about those, like me, with paper tickets.

Excuse me, possibly stupid: How far does LU reserve the right to check
your
ticket after passing the gates or leaving a bus? Honestly, after I passed
the gates I would have thought I left their area of control.

I'd agree with that when it comes to having left a bus, but they have the
right to ask to inspect your ticket anywhere on LU premises.

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them you just
entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

Well if they'd just seen you pass through the exit gates or you emerged
from
a direction where there were only exit gates then I should imagine they'd
be
disinclined to believe you.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

tim

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:40:15 GMT, "Graham J"
wrote:

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them you just
entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

Well if they'd just seen you pass through the exit gates or you emerged from
a direction where there were only exit gates then I should imagine they'd be
disinclined to believe you. As far as I am aware you don't actually have to
be caught in the act of breaching the bye-laws, only for it to be reasonable
to believe that you have done so.

And no doubt they have CCTV covering the whole area, should it come
down to that.

tim (moved to sweden) said:

I can't quite understand what they were checking though, as
everyone they stopped had already gone through the exit barrier
with their Oyster - and they were asking to scan them. They didn't
seem to care about those, like me, with paper tickets.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

The original poster clearly said they were only checking Oyster cards,
not tickets. The proof of payment would be stored in the Oyster's
records.

wrote in message
...
tim (moved to sweden) said:

I can't quite understand what they were checking though, as
everyone they stopped had already gone through the exit barrier
with their Oyster - and they were asking to scan them. They didn't
seem to care about those, like me, with paper tickets.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

The original poster clearly said they were only checking Oyster cards,
not tickets. The proof of payment would be stored in the Oyster's
records.

The discussion had moved on to a question about the legality of
them demanding a ticket check from someone that they had seen
come out of an 'exit only' route (you seem to have snipped this bit
and returned only to the original question). As they would not
know if the person had an Oyster at this point, how could this be
a reasonable thing to do?

tim

The discussion had moved on to a question about the legality of
them demanding a ticket check from someone that they had seen
come out of an 'exit only' route (you seem to have snipped this bit
and returned only to the original question). As they would not
know if the person had an Oyster at this point, how could this be
a reasonable thing to do?

Indeed. In a station with a working gateline it would be legal for ticket
checks to be carried out outside the gateline but probably largely pointless
on the whole. So the ticket checks at Kings Cross described by Jonathan
earlier must surely have been targetting something unique about Oyster use,
or more likely misuse. Like him I can't immediately think of anything
unless there is widespread abuse, or accidental misuse, of Oyster PrePay
where they don't touch in to the system. I believe that still only results
in a minimum fare doesn't it?

"Meeeee" wrote in message
k...

Often ticket inspectors target interchanges and stand in the passageway
checking them. AIUI there are usually uniformed inspectors with
plain-clothed ones behind so that those who turn the corner, spot the
inspector and then turn back are also caught

They appear in the AM peak in the passageways at Bond Street on a very
regular basis. They've normally been too busy taking down the details of
A.N.Other to even check my valid ticket!!