On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:15:34 +0100, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them you just
entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

Well if they'd just seen you pass through the exit gates or you emerged
from
a direction where there were only exit gates then I should imagine they'd
be
disinclined to believe you.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

The barriers at KXStP don't eat the tickets - it's an out-of-station
interchange.

In any case, the barriers can probably be set to return all tickets -
I once noticed my single ticket didn't get swallowed when leaving the
last station before a section of line closed for engineering works,
and assumed this was so that passengers could keep their tickets to
use on the replacement buses.

On 7 Nov 2005 13:05:22 -0800, "Andrea" wrote:

Are there ever any ticket inspections on the London Underground? Yes,
there are barriers at all stations but I would have thought that LUL
would also have roving patrols of inspectors randomly checking tickets
on board tube trains to catch any fare dodgers?

They do. I've seen them at work on several occasions.
--
Nick Cooper

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lid (asdf) wrote:

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:15:34 +0100, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them
you just entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

Well if they'd just seen you pass through the exit gates or you
emerged from a direction where there were only exit gates then I
should imagine they'd be disinclined to believe you.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

The barriers at KXStP don't eat the tickets - it's an out-of-station
interchange.

In any case, the barriers can probably be set to return all tickets -
I once noticed my single ticket didn't get swallowed when leaving the
last station before a section of line closed for engineering works,
and assumed this was so that passengers could keep their tickets to
use on the replacement buses.

My Cambridge to Underground Zones 1 & 2 tickets don't get eaten at East
Putney which is much more baffling.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote:

The discussion had moved on to a question about the legality of
them demanding a ticket check from someone that they had seen
come out of an 'exit only' route (you seem to have snipped this bit
and returned only to the original question). As they would not
know if the person had an Oyster at this point, how could this be
a reasonable thing to do?

They could turn up the sensitivity of a reader, and, if directional
enough (or the target was sufficiently isolated), (try to) read
the oyster from a distance.

#Paul

Just thinking about this on....the sign that says you must have a valid
ticket is on the barrier....it says you must not enter without a valid
ticket so i guess if they witness you exiting.....youve also entered a
ticket area.

Mal

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:01:38 +0100, "Ralf Mayer"
wrote:

schrieb im Newsbeitrag...
Andrea wrote:
Are there ever any ticket inspections on the London Underground?

Yes. They were at Kings Cross today (H&C/Circle/Met) outside the
barriers.

I can't quite understand what they were checking though, as everyone
they stopped had already gone through the exit barrier with their
Oyster - and they were asking to scan them. They didn't seem to care
about those, like me, with paper tickets.

Excuse me, possibly stupid: How far does LU reserve the right to check
your
ticket after passing the gates or leaving a bus? Honestly, after I passed
the gates I would have thought I left their area of control.

Kings Cross station is in too halves. The connecting corridors, while
affording access to the street, are still LU property and therefore it
is legitimate in this case.

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them you just
entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

I agree it would be stretching the jurisdiction of ticket inspectors if
they just stopped you on the pavement outside - unless they were with a
policeman and you had been asked to stop inside LU property and you had
sought to escape.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Its easy to get a ticket out the gates after its taken it. It doesn't drop
into the bin until after about 20 others have been put in. A few questions
about where you purchased, how much, when etc would easily identify your
ticket if needed.

Mal

"tim (moved to sweden)" wrote in message
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"Graham J" wrote in message
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I can't quite understand what they were checking though, as everyone
they stopped had already gone through the exit barrier with their
Oyster - and they were asking to scan them. They didn't seem to care
about those, like me, with paper tickets.

Excuse me, possibly stupid: How far does LU reserve the right to check
your
ticket after passing the gates or leaving a bus? Honestly, after I
passed
the gates I would have thought I left their area of control.

I'd agree with that when it comes to having left a bus, but they have the
right to ask to inspect your ticket anywhere on LU premises.

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them you
just
entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

Well if they'd just seen you pass through the exit gates or you emerged
from
a direction where there were only exit gates then I should imagine they'd
be
disinclined to believe you.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

tim

The revenue people often do checks on the train. They will board a car and
wait until the doors close before announcing thmselves. Often in plain
clothes. I have had them many times, i travel the line during my duty and
they always ask for my pass even though i'm in uniform!! Its not a problem
to me....

The dogs are there for other reasons. Talking to the police, they pickup
more people for other offences than no ticket. The ticket inspection often
finds credit card fraud, drugs etc.

Mal
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On 7 Nov 2005 13:05:22 -0800, "Andrea" wrote:

Are there ever any ticket inspections on the London Underground? Yes,
there are barriers at all stations but I would have thought that LUL
would also have roving patrols of inspectors randomly checking tickets
on board tube trains to catch any fare dodgers?

They do. I've seen them at work on several occasions.
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War, and in Films & TV:
http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
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My Cambridge to Underground Zones 1 & 2 tickets don't get eaten at East
Putney which is much more baffling.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Not really, maybe you wish to walk to Putney station and continue in zone 2

Paul

Graham J wrote:
(snip)
In a station with a working gateline it would be legal for ticket
checks to be carried out outside the gateline but probably largely pointless
on the whole. So the ticket checks at Kings Cross described by Jonathan
earlier must surely have been targetting something unique about Oyster use,
or more likely misuse. Like him I can't immediately think of anything
unless there is widespread abuse, or accidental misuse, of Oyster PrePay
where they don't touch in to the system. I believe that still only results
in a minimum fare doesn't it?

That's the only conclusion I can reach - that the inspectors were
targeting those Oyster users who hadn't touched in, and had only
touched out at KX. It'd be very easy to see where this was happening
regularly as it's all on the Oyster database.

The gates could even be programmed to reject those Oyster cards that
hadn't been touched-in when there was a ticket check going on.

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(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...

My Cambridge to Underground Zones 1 & 2 tickets don't get eaten at
East Putney which is much more baffling.

Not really, maybe you wish to walk to Putney station and continue in
zone 2

I very much doubt that interchange is expected that way. Both Putney
stations are in zones 2 and 3.

--
Colin Rosenstiel