"Graham J" wrote in message
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I can't quite understand what they were checking though, as everyone
they stopped had already gone through the exit barrier with their
Oyster - and they were asking to scan them. They didn't seem to care
about those, like me, with paper tickets.

Excuse me, possibly stupid: How far does LU reserve the right to check
your
ticket after passing the gates or leaving a bus? Honestly, after I passed
the gates I would have thought I left their area of control.

I'd agree with that when it comes to having left a bus, but they have the
right to ask to inspect your ticket anywhere on LU premises.

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them you just
entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

Well if they'd just seen you pass through the exit gates or you emerged
from
a direction where there were only exit gates then I should imagine they'd
be
disinclined to believe you.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

tim

tim (moved to sweden) said:

I can't quite understand what they were checking though, as
everyone they stopped had already gone through the exit barrier
with their Oyster - and they were asking to scan them. They didn't
seem to care about those, like me, with paper tickets.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

The original poster clearly said they were only checking Oyster cards,
not tickets. The proof of payment would be stored in the Oyster's
records.

wrote in message
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tim (moved to sweden) said:

I can't quite understand what they were checking though, as
everyone they stopped had already gone through the exit barrier
with their Oyster - and they were asking to scan them. They didn't
seem to care about those, like me, with paper tickets.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

The original poster clearly said they were only checking Oyster cards,
not tickets. The proof of payment would be stored in the Oyster's
records.

The discussion had moved on to a question about the legality of
them demanding a ticket check from someone that they had seen
come out of an 'exit only' route (you seem to have snipped this bit
and returned only to the original question). As they would not
know if the person had an Oyster at this point, how could this be
a reasonable thing to do?

tim

The discussion had moved on to a question about the legality of
them demanding a ticket check from someone that they had seen
come out of an 'exit only' route (you seem to have snipped this bit
and returned only to the original question). As they would not
know if the person had an Oyster at this point, how could this be
a reasonable thing to do?

Indeed. In a station with a working gateline it would be legal for ticket
checks to be carried out outside the gateline but probably largely pointless
on the whole. So the ticket checks at Kings Cross described by Jonathan
earlier must surely have been targetting something unique about Oyster use,
or more likely misuse. Like him I can't immediately think of anything
unless there is widespread abuse, or accidental misuse, of Oyster PrePay
where they don't touch in to the system. I believe that still only results
in a minimum fare doesn't it?

Graham J wrote:
(snip)
In a station with a working gateline it would be legal for ticket
checks to be carried out outside the gateline but probably largely pointless
on the whole. So the ticket checks at Kings Cross described by Jonathan
earlier must surely have been targetting something unique about Oyster use,
or more likely misuse. Like him I can't immediately think of anything
unless there is widespread abuse, or accidental misuse, of Oyster PrePay
where they don't touch in to the system. I believe that still only results
in a minimum fare doesn't it?

That's the only conclusion I can reach - that the inspectors were
targeting those Oyster users who hadn't touched in, and had only
touched out at KX. It'd be very easy to see where this was happening
regularly as it's all on the Oyster database.

The gates could even be programmed to reject those Oyster cards that
hadn't been touched-in when there was a ticket check going on.

"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote:

The discussion had moved on to a question about the legality of
them demanding a ticket check from someone that they had seen
come out of an 'exit only' route (you seem to have snipped this bit
and returned only to the original question). As they would not
know if the person had an Oyster at this point, how could this be
a reasonable thing to do?

They could turn up the sensitivity of a reader, and, if directional
enough (or the target was sufficiently isolated), (try to) read
the oyster from a distance.

#Paul

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:15:34 +0100, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them you just
entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

Well if they'd just seen you pass through the exit gates or you emerged
from
a direction where there were only exit gates then I should imagine they'd
be
disinclined to believe you.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

The barriers at KXStP don't eat the tickets - it's an out-of-station
interchange.

In any case, the barriers can probably be set to return all tickets -
I once noticed my single ticket didn't get swallowed when leaving the
last station before a section of line closed for engineering works,
and assumed this was so that passengers could keep their tickets to
use on the replacement buses.

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:15:34 +0100, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:

What would happen if you refused to be checked? If you told them
you just entered from the surface, and were leaving on another exit?

Well if they'd just seen you pass through the exit gates or you
emerged from a direction where there were only exit gates then I
should imagine they'd be disinclined to believe you.

As the machine keep the used tickets, what proof of payment
do they expect you to have?

The barriers at KXStP don't eat the tickets - it's an out-of-station
interchange.

In any case, the barriers can probably be set to return all tickets -
I once noticed my single ticket didn't get swallowed when leaving the
last station before a section of line closed for engineering works,
and assumed this was so that passengers could keep their tickets to
use on the replacement buses.

My Cambridge to Underground Zones 1 & 2 tickets don't get eaten at East
Putney which is much more baffling.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
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My Cambridge to Underground Zones 1 & 2 tickets don't get eaten at East
Putney which is much more baffling.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Not really, maybe you wish to walk to Putney station and continue in zone 2

Paul

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...

My Cambridge to Underground Zones 1 & 2 tickets don't get eaten at
East Putney which is much more baffling.

Not really, maybe you wish to walk to Putney station and continue in
zone 2

I very much doubt that interchange is expected that way. Both Putney
stations are in zones 2 and 3.

--
Colin Rosenstiel