In message , Dave Hillam
] writes

ICBW, but I haven't seen any indication that the new agreements
include any requirement to co-operate with TfL on Prestige/Oyster.

I think that the DfT has ruled that they must introduce fares based on
current London zones within the next couple of years - so the writing is
on the wall.

--
Paul Terry

Mizter T wrote:
You've put if far more concisely and to the point than my ramble
managed to! The TOCs are a hostage to their frachise agreements, and to
the structure they operate within. It's time to change that structure
(I'm starting to sound like a Marxist!).

Chiltern's not - at least not really; does anyone know if Wembley
Stadium will have Oyster equipment installed?

Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Dave Hillam
] writes

ICBW, but I haven't seen any indication that the new agreements
include any requirement to co-operate with TfL on Prestige/Oyster.

I think that the DfT has ruled that they must introduce fares based on
current London zones within the next couple of years - so the writing is
on the wall.


I did a bit of rummaging around on the DfT website and I couldn't find
anything definite regarding zonal fares for London, but lots of hints
regarding a their future arrival.

I've cited some of the pertinant sections of various documents below
for those who are sadistic enough to go in for the detail...

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The Future of Rail (White Paper) - DfT June 2004
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays_031106.pdf

Section 5.7.7 (p88)
"Because of the complexity of London's transport system and the
long-term nature of agreements with train companies we propose to
proceed by a staged approach. In the short term... the Government will
work with the Mayor on rationalising fares (including Travelcard) and
ticketing technology within the GLA boundary".

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Invitation to Tender (ITT) for the Integrated Kent Franchise - SRA
January 2005
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays_039804.pdf

Section 3.2.2 - Fares (p17)
"The ITT does not attempt to anticipate any zonal fare structure which
the Mayor of London might wish to introduce. As and when such
requirements are confirmed and the details known, the SRA will arrange
an appropriate amendment using the defined change mechanism in the
Franchise Agreement."

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Pre-qualification Process Document, South Western Franchise - DfT
September 2005
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays_041293.pdf

Section 2 - Franchise Objectives (p1)
The Secretary of State requires the new South Western Franchise:
....
(d) to reflect stakeholder requirements and aspirations including...
alignment with Transport for London (TfL) responsibilities, especially
in relation to fares and ticketing arrangements."

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However, the idea of a zonal fare structure for railways in London is
not a new one. It is mentioned in this paper from March 2000, before
the Greater London Authority had been formally established with it's
powers in July 2000.


Directions and Guidance to the Strategic Rail Authority, DfT March 2000
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...pdf_031941.pdf

Section 5.0 - London (p17)
"In particular, the Authority [SRA] should... work with DfT and TfL to
provide further advice to the Secretary of State by December 2004 on
the arguments for and against (i) moving to a zonalised fare structure
within London mirroring that for other modes..."

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When it comes to where we are now, it seems that the Railways Act 2005
leaves all the decisions for the discretion of the Sec. State for
Transport...


Explanatory Notes to Railways Act 2005 - Parliament 2005
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/en2005/2005en14.htm

Part 2: Public Sector Funding Authorities for Railways

"15. This Part also modifies the powers of Passenger Transport
Executives (PTEs) so that they may, subject to the Secretary of State's
approval, enter into franchise agreements and agreements relating to
the quality of franchised rail services. The Secretary of State will
have a duty to consult a PTE when preparing to let a franchise which
involves services to, from or within the area covered by the PTE. It
also provides for Transport for London to be given equivalent powers to
PTEs."


I await a definitive pronouncement from the DfT!

"Mizter T" wrote in message
oups.com...

I did a bit of rummaging around on the DfT website and I couldn't find
anything definite regarding zonal fares for London, but lots of hints
regarding a their future arrival.

I've cited some of the pertinant sections of various documents below
for those who are sadistic enough to go in for the detail...
snip

Masochistic, shirley?


--
John Band
astic - delete iastic to reply

John Band wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
oups.com...

I did a bit of rummaging around on the DfT website and I couldn't find
anything definite regarding zonal fares for London, but lots of hints
regarding a their future arrival.

I've cited some of the pertinant sections of various documents below
for those who are sadistic enough to go in for the detail...
snip

Masochistic, shirley?


Err, that's what I meant. Now I feel really stupid!

The Marquis de Sade's work seems to have had an unhealthy influence on
me...

Mizter T, aka Shirley (apparently)