"Mizter T" wrote:

I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't
seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s).

I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least
a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are
introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the
following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton:

Banstead and Epsom Downs
Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner

What's the logic in extending Z6 to Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner, but
not to Epsom? Are there particular difficulties caused by Southern 'sharing
the flow' from Epsom with SWT?

Chris

Chris Read wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote:

I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't
seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s).

I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least
a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are
introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the
following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton:

Banstead and Epsom Downs
Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner

What's the logic in extending Z6 to Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner, but
not to Epsom? Are there particular difficulties caused by Southern 'sharing
the flow' from Epsom with SWT?

Chris


The south west extended zone 6 beyond Greater London many years ago, to
include Thames Ditton and Hampton Court, about the same time as the top
of the Hainault Loop, and well before Epping.

But I thought that might be because Hampton Court is an attraction in
London, served by a station in Surrey.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:27:01 +0000 (UTC), "Chris Read"
wrote:

What's the logic in extending Z6 to Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner, but
not to Epsom? Are there particular difficulties caused by Southern 'sharing
the flow' from Epsom with SWT?

Perhaps because Tattenham Corner is the end of that particular line?
--
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

Perhaps because Tattenham Corner is the end of that particular line?

I'm sure that's it - all the stations mentioned are termini of lines
that are partly in GL (and there are no competing operators) save Upper
Warlingham (which would be daft to be outside when the Whyteleaves are
inside). So it's a bit of an Epping or Hampton Court effect. On my maps
Watford is farther out than any of these.

That leaves Shepperton as the only such terminus not covered in this
way AFAICS. Make those TV audience wannabees urged to head there pay
extra?

In that area, I don't understand why stations from Kingston to Fulwell
are in Zone 5 (as they geographically should be) rather than Zone 6,
unless they're trying to keep all the Hamptons together (no pun
intended.)

Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent
parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to
Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change
trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise
not to leave the station?

wrote

Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent
parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to
Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change
trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise
not to leave the station?

Not permitted. There are off-peak trains which loop between Crayford and
Slade Green (and these stay within Zone 6, although they cross the Greater
London boundary), and a few peak trains which loop between Barnehurst and
Slade Green. You can of course use a Travelcard to get to Dartford, as long
as you travel on a London bus, and not a train.

Peter

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Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent
parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to
Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change
trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise
not to leave the station?

No, zonal tickets have to cover the entirety of your journey. You can't
go from West Drayton to Upminster with just a zone 6 travelcard, even
with appropriate promises

--
Larry Lard
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Larry Lard wrote in
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wrote:
[snip]
Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent
parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to
Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change
trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise
not to leave the station?

No, zonal tickets have to cover the entirety of your journey. You
can't go from West Drayton to Upminster with just a zone 6
travelcard, even with appropriate promises

That's why the *******s have made North London Line stations alternate
between two different zones to prevent someone going from Richmond to North
Woolwich on just a single zone ticket.

Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent
parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to
Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change
trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise
not to leave the station?

An anomaly is that holders of freedom passes can use Dartford station.

"TKD" wrote in message
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Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent
parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to
Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change
trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise
not to leave the station?

An anomaly is that holders of freedom passes can use Dartford station.



and travel to Amersham, Chesham and Watford!

Orienteer ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent
parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to
Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change
trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise
not to leave the station?

An anomaly is that holders of freedom passes can use Dartford station.

and travel to Amersham, Chesham and Watford!

They're in the tube zone system, though.