On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:31:55 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

A bad analogy, and you know it.

Not so. My bus is my workplace, it is my office. I don't see why people
should be allowed to do what they want in it.

It's your workplace, but not your office. Do try not to be silly.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:43:41 GMT, Methusalah
wrote:

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd travel
around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I
got hungry, I'd eat one !

Careful. I think the RSPCA could get you retrospectively for that.
Note, no smiley. Sillier things happen.

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:10:33 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

Agreed, we don't need more "nanny" laws.

Quite true, we don't. However, as long as some people insist on
behaving like spoiled brats than Nanny has to give them a smack
occasionaly.


So do you want nanny laws or not?

I want everyone to show consideration and respect for those around them.

"Methusalah" wrote in message

In message on
Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:51 +0000 in uk.railway, "M. J.
Powell" tapped out on the
keyboard:

In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over
Wales and the West Country organising OBs. I managed
perfectly well with telephone boxes and hotel phones.
And those were the days when phone boxes were regularly
vandalised.

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my
young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier
pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got
hungry, I'd eat one !

So what happened when you'd eaten the last pigeon and needed to send a
message..?!

Ivor

"Laurence Payne"
wrote in message

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:43:41 GMT, Methusalah
wrote:

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In
my young days, I'd travel around with a supply of
carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if
I got hungry, I'd eat one !

Careful. I think the RSPCA could get you retrospectively
for that. Note, no smiley. Sillier things happen.

Nothing illegal about eating pigeons, is there..? Pigeon pie, anyone..?

Ivor

"Laurence Payne"
wrote in message

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:31:55 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

A bad analogy, and you know it.

Not so. My bus is my workplace, it is my office. I
don't see why people should be allowed to do what they
want in it.

It's your workplace, but not your office. Do try not to
be silly.

It's where I do my work, it is effectively my office. And you didn't
answer the question. Why should people be allowed to do as they please on
someone else's property, be it a bus, office, train or public toilet for
that matter (the bus does resemble the latter at the end of a day with the
kids round here..!)

Ivor

wrote in message

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:37:35 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

No, the company pays my wages. The passengers rarely
pay anything at all,

That's where you are wrong. Fares only provide a small
part of the revenue that pays for most bus services. The
state pays for a huge proportion, one way or another.
Fares are really only there to regulate demand.

If they don't pay, it makes no difference..!

they just walk past with two fingers in the air saying
"I ain't got no money, **** off". Then they sit down
and proceed to make endless phone calls.

So not only are you unable to concentrate on driving, but
you are also unable to do the rest of the job. You really
ought to look for a different job. Can't say I'd blame
you. A bus driver round here just walked off the job last
month (or maybe it was the month before) after doing the
job for fourteen years. He'd just had enough of it.

May I suggest you try concentrating on driving a 12 ton vehicle fully
loaded with 70+ people through a busy city centre while subject to
unnecessary noise and abuse..? Maybe you can, but I don't see why I should
have to.

Fares, well I'm sorry, but you're wrong there. It isn't my job to ensure
people pay, that's what inspectors are for. Unfortunately we rarely see
any. Before you question this, I should point out that the company
training school specifically instructs new drivers *not* to challenge
aggressive passengers, and to let them travel even if they refuse to pay.
The rationale (much as I deplore it, I do understand it) is that it is
cheaper to let them travel free than to have to pay a driver sick pay when
he's in hospital having been attacked.

Going OT a little more I'm afraid, let me illustrate the last point a
little further. A couple of years ago, a colleague of mine was driving the
last bus on a service, which was scheduled to terminate short of the
normal terminus, at a point considerably closer to the garage. This was
necessary due to the drivers hours regulations, if the service had
continued to the end (another hour's travel) the driver would have been
over his hours. Anyway, he reached the point where he came out of service,
at this point there were only three passengers left. They made no move to
get off, my mate told them that he was now coming out of service and they
would have to get off.

They refused, and became very aggressive, demanding to be taken to the
(normal) end of the route. When he again explained this was not possible,
and that the actual destination was in fact clearly displayed on the
destination blinds on the front of the vehicle, they broke down the cab
door (complete with its security screen), dragged him from his seat and
proceeded to beat seven bells out of him, leaving him with, amongst other
injuries, three broken ribs. He has not worked since. I should point out
that he was 6ft tall and built like a rugby player, it did him no good at
all.

Those are the sort of people I have to deal with, could you..?

It's not chatter I mind, it's LOUD and PERSISTENT
chatter. Shall I come and sit in your office or living
room for half an hour and make some phone calls..?

No. My workplace is arranged so that I can work
effectively. If people were disturbing me, I'd do
something to stop it, whether by changing the work
environment or by changing their behaviour.


Unfortunately I do not have that luxury.

However, I'm known for being able to work steadily
through all sorts of distractions, so I doubt I'd care.

You are lucky.

The bus is my workplace, it is my office in effect. I
need to be
able to concentrate to work (drive) safely.

The terrible design of the bus is not the fault of your
passengers.

Nor is it my fault. Making unnecessary noise is, however, something over
which the passengers do have control.

I suggest you get a job driving a hearse.

I can think of a few likely customers already ;-)

Ivor

In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:17:47 -0000 in
uk.railway, "Ivor Jones" tapped out on the keyboard:



"Methusalah" wrote in message

In message on
Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:51 +0000 in uk.railway, "M. J.
Powell" tapped out on the
keyboard:

In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over
Wales and the West Country organising OBs. I managed
perfectly well with telephone boxes and hotel phones.
And those were the days when phone boxes were regularly
vandalised.

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my
young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier
pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got
hungry, I'd eat one !

So what happened when you'd eaten the last pigeon and needed to send a
message..?!

Send smoke signals.

"Methusalah" wrote in message
...
In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005
13:05:51
+0000 in uk.railway, "M. J. Powell" tapped out
on
the keyboard:

In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the West
Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone boxes
and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were
regularly vandalised.

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd
travel
around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base.
And if I
got hungry, I'd eat one !

Speckled Jim?!?!?!
: )

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 14:02:52 on
Thu, 17 Nov 2005, d remarked:

I don't care what people do on trains/busses/in public as long as it
doesn't affect other people. As soon as that happens, the perpetrator
has over-stepped the mark, and should stop.

So if someone insists on silence, and that affects someone who has an
important phone call to make...

Get up, walk to the vestibule, and make your call from there. This is not
rocket science.

tom

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