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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:31:55 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote: A bad analogy, and you know it. Not so. My bus is my workplace, it is my office. I don't see why people should be allowed to do what they want in it. It's your workplace, but not your office. Do try not to be silly. |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:43:41 GMT, Methusalah
wrote: Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got hungry, I'd eat one ! Careful. I think the RSPCA could get you retrospectively for that. Note, no smiley. Sillier things happen. |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:10:33 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone" wrote: Agreed, we don't need more "nanny" laws. Quite true, we don't. However, as long as some people insist on behaving like spoiled brats than Nanny has to give them a smack occasionaly. So do you want nanny laws or not? I want everyone to show consideration and respect for those around them. |
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![]() "Methusalah" wrote in message In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:51 +0000 in uk.railway, "M. J. Powell" tapped out on the keyboard: In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the West Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone boxes and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were regularly vandalised. Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got hungry, I'd eat one ! So what happened when you'd eaten the last pigeon and needed to send a message..?! Ivor |
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![]() "Laurence Payne" wrote in message On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:43:41 GMT, Methusalah wrote: Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got hungry, I'd eat one ! Careful. I think the RSPCA could get you retrospectively for that. Note, no smiley. Sillier things happen. Nothing illegal about eating pigeons, is there..? Pigeon pie, anyone..? Ivor |
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![]() "Laurence Payne" wrote in message On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:31:55 -0000, "Ivor Jones" wrote: A bad analogy, and you know it. Not so. My bus is my workplace, it is my office. I don't see why people should be allowed to do what they want in it. It's your workplace, but not your office. Do try not to be silly. It's where I do my work, it is effectively my office. And you didn't answer the question. Why should people be allowed to do as they please on someone else's property, be it a bus, office, train or public toilet for that matter (the bus does resemble the latter at the end of a day with the kids round here..!) Ivor |
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![]() wrote in message On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:37:35 -0000, "Ivor Jones" wrote: No, the company pays my wages. The passengers rarely pay anything at all, That's where you are wrong. Fares only provide a small part of the revenue that pays for most bus services. The state pays for a huge proportion, one way or another. Fares are really only there to regulate demand. If they don't pay, it makes no difference..! they just walk past with two fingers in the air saying "I ain't got no money, **** off". Then they sit down and proceed to make endless phone calls. So not only are you unable to concentrate on driving, but you are also unable to do the rest of the job. You really ought to look for a different job. Can't say I'd blame you. A bus driver round here just walked off the job last month (or maybe it was the month before) after doing the job for fourteen years. He'd just had enough of it. May I suggest you try concentrating on driving a 12 ton vehicle fully loaded with 70+ people through a busy city centre while subject to unnecessary noise and abuse..? Maybe you can, but I don't see why I should have to. Fares, well I'm sorry, but you're wrong there. It isn't my job to ensure people pay, that's what inspectors are for. Unfortunately we rarely see any. Before you question this, I should point out that the company training school specifically instructs new drivers *not* to challenge aggressive passengers, and to let them travel even if they refuse to pay. The rationale (much as I deplore it, I do understand it) is that it is cheaper to let them travel free than to have to pay a driver sick pay when he's in hospital having been attacked. Going OT a little more I'm afraid, let me illustrate the last point a little further. A couple of years ago, a colleague of mine was driving the last bus on a service, which was scheduled to terminate short of the normal terminus, at a point considerably closer to the garage. This was necessary due to the drivers hours regulations, if the service had continued to the end (another hour's travel) the driver would have been over his hours. Anyway, he reached the point where he came out of service, at this point there were only three passengers left. They made no move to get off, my mate told them that he was now coming out of service and they would have to get off. They refused, and became very aggressive, demanding to be taken to the (normal) end of the route. When he again explained this was not possible, and that the actual destination was in fact clearly displayed on the destination blinds on the front of the vehicle, they broke down the cab door (complete with its security screen), dragged him from his seat and proceeded to beat seven bells out of him, leaving him with, amongst other injuries, three broken ribs. He has not worked since. I should point out that he was 6ft tall and built like a rugby player, it did him no good at all. Those are the sort of people I have to deal with, could you..? It's not chatter I mind, it's LOUD and PERSISTENT chatter. Shall I come and sit in your office or living room for half an hour and make some phone calls..? No. My workplace is arranged so that I can work effectively. If people were disturbing me, I'd do something to stop it, whether by changing the work environment or by changing their behaviour. Unfortunately I do not have that luxury. However, I'm known for being able to work steadily through all sorts of distractions, so I doubt I'd care. You are lucky. The bus is my workplace, it is my office in effect. I need to be able to concentrate to work (drive) safely. The terrible design of the bus is not the fault of your passengers. Nor is it my fault. Making unnecessary noise is, however, something over which the passengers do have control. I suggest you get a job driving a hearse. I can think of a few likely customers already ;-) Ivor |
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In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:17:47 -0000 in
uk.railway, "Ivor Jones" tapped out on the keyboard: "Methusalah" wrote in message In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:51 +0000 in uk.railway, "M. J. Powell" tapped out on the keyboard: In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the West Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone boxes and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were regularly vandalised. Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got hungry, I'd eat one ! So what happened when you'd eaten the last pigeon and needed to send a message..?! Send smoke signals. |
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![]() "Methusalah" wrote in message ... In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:51 +0000 in uk.railway, "M. J. Powell" tapped out on the keyboard: In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the West Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone boxes and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were regularly vandalised. Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got hungry, I'd eat one ! Speckled Jim?!?!?! : ) |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:02:52 on Thu, 17 Nov 2005, d remarked: I don't care what people do on trains/busses/in public as long as it doesn't affect other people. As soon as that happens, the perpetrator has over-stepped the mark, and should stop. So if someone insists on silence, and that affects someone who has an important phone call to make... Get up, walk to the vestibule, and make your call from there. This is not rocket science. tom -- science fiction, old TV shows, sports, food, New York City topography, and golden age hiphop |
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