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13:18:26 on Mon, 21 Nov 2005, d remarked: Why on earth is this a "nanny" law? Do you even know what that means? ![]() It means any law that requires you to do something you don't want to do, and also any law that requires you not to do something you want to do. So every law is a nanny law, simply put ![]() It becomes a "nanny" law, when many of the people upon whom it impinges cannot understand why. But "nanny knows best". That distinguishes it from those laws where almost everyone can see why they exist. -- Roland Perry |
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MIG wrote:
d wrote: "Brimstone" wrote in message ... N.I.B. wrote: d wrote: "N.I.B." wrote in message It means any law that requires you to do something you don't want to do, and also any law that requires you not to do something you want to do. So every law is a nanny law, simply put ![]() Precisely! Including those that forbid theft (in all forms) and acts of violence? Apparently so, as it ****es off thieves and violent types. ![]() Does the concept of "theft" exist outside of the laws which prevent things being acquired in certain circumstances (unlike violence, which might be legal)? I mean, you might be violent whether it was legal or not, but you couldn't be a thief unless the law forbade you to acquire the thing you were acquiring in the circumstances. In a culture on individual (as opposed to community) ownership then "yes" is surely the answer otherwise a formal law would never have come into existence. If the culture is one of shared ownership (i.e. everyone has free use of everything) then there surely can be no such thing as theft, unless someone deprives the community of its use. My thoughts only, does anyone have any different ideas? |
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![]() "Roland Perry" wrote in message .uk In message , at 13:39:02 on Mon, 21 Nov 2005, d remarked: Do you even know which century you're in?? Seemingly not. 21st, which is where railways need to be - in recognising that people have a need to use mobile phones. No, they *want* to be able to use mobile phones. They don't *need* to, they won't die or suffer a horrible injury if they don't use one for the short time they're on the train. Although they may well come close if they do use one near me too many more times..! Ivor |
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In message , at 22:18:06 on Mon, 21 Nov
2005, Ivor Jones remarked: Do you even know which century you're in?? Seemingly not. 21st, which is where railways need to be - in recognising that people have a need to use mobile phones. No, they *want* to be able to use mobile phones. They don't *need* to, they won't die or suffer a horrible injury if they don't use one for the short time they're on the train. I think we've probably done his need/want thing to death by now. Someone asked about what century we were in. This century, all suppliers of goods and services should be customer-focussed. Indeed, some ToCs pay lip service to this (eg first class lounges, on train wifi and so on). Taking an extreme view, no-one *needs* to be allowed to read, or play any kind of walkman/Ipod-like device, or use a laptop, or have a conversation with another passenger. They may *think* they need to, to make the journey bearable, or to avoid them using a different mode of transport. ps. What do you define as a "short time"? Under an hour? Under three hours... -- Roland Perry |
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Graeme Wall wrote:
In message Andrew Yarnwood wrote: I have a proposal for dealing with (punishing) people who make loud business phone calls on trains (or any other public transport). ("I'm on the train ... buy! ... sell!") Record the calls or make some note, especially if there's anything that sounds confidential, and publish transcripts or summaries on the web or a newsgroup. I recall someone on this group[1] commenting that he overheard one of his firm's competitors talking about a major contract in such detail on the train that his company were able to trump the loudmouth's tender. [1] Where are you Ian Batten? Happened to me some time ago. Figures weren't mentioned, but it was clear a civil servant was in line for a bung. Cost the competitor a £2M order. Moral: don't drink too much at a trade show and then get on the train where all your rivals are also traveling. |
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"Andrew Yarnwood" wrote in message
... I have a proposal .... Suggestions? Call out Richard Griffiths. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4462350.stm |
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