M. J. Powell wrote:
In message ,
steve writes

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:31:14 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
I never understand this. Should conversations also be banned. I assume
the
motive is they you get frustrated by only being able to eavesdrop on on
half of the conversation - otherwise the 'campaign' would be about load
conversations not just phone conversations.

The point is that phone users speak more loudly than they would for a
normal conversation.

Mike

Some research suggests that people pay more attention when they only
hear one-half of the conversation:
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040412.html

Andrew Yarnwood wrote:
I have a proposal for dealing with (punishing) people who make loud
business phone calls on trains (or any other public transport). ("I'm
on the train ... buy! ... sell!")

Record the calls or make some note, especially if there's anything
that sounds confidential, and publish transcripts or summaries on the
web or a newsgroup.

One particularly obnoxious person managed to get me to react. Only one
so far.

This person had been conducting some business for some time (they had
some very borderline case for something or other, and definately
wouldn't take no for an answer, and it sounded vaguely like there was
some kind of fraudulent claim or application going on), and the whole
carriage was getting rather tired of it. I'd couldn't even get away from
it by listening to some music - the person's voice was that piercing.

Anyway, some poor old lady decided to ask the woman politely to stop.
The woman completely ignored her, and continued her debating via the
phone. She didn't even acknowledge that the old lady was trying to
communicate with her. It got to the point where the old lady tapped her
on the shoulder, just to get some kind of acknowledgement that she was
there - at which point, the woman on the phone accused her of assault.
The old lady tried valiantly to argue her corner, but when she wasn't
physically in contact with the woman, she was ignored, and when she was,
she was accused of assault. So eventually she gave up.

The rules of this game appear to be: be as annoying as possible to the
woman, but without any physical contact. I can work with that :¬)

An ordinary walkman in-ear style earpiece, dangled within 1-2cm of the
phone mic seemed to work quite well. Small, easy to maneuver, easy to
place accurately. No danger of actual contact. She tried to stonewall me
too - but this was to my advantage, not hers, as I'm sure the other
person had no idea what she was saying. I was quite content to listen to
the song. The challenge is to pick something with a strong riff, some
memorable changes, and not something that can be easily filtered out -
i.e. not just typical clubbers' noise.

For added effect, the other earpiece can be dangled next to the free
ear, so she can't clearly hear what the other person is saying either.

Five minutes, and she was off the phone. Never said a word to me. The
old lady did though, she was most thankful :¬)

James Moody
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"Cheeky" wrote in message
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On 16 Nov 2005 10:50:51 -0800, wrote:


There are mobile phone jammers available from electrical retailers, but
they cost up to £200.

Still, it would be worth the money just to watch the misery on the
callers face as they try and figure out why their call keeps cutting
out.

Alternatively just have a ride on one of Branson's trains. You'll get
the same without shelling out £200...

That assumes you don't need an Open ticket ;-)

Peter

Gavin Hamilton wrote:
A friend of mine suggested a small device that transmitted the sound
of a low flying aircraft on bluetooth frequencies - it would be
exceedingly amusing to watch those with bluetootehed mobile phones
diving for cover - in the office :-)

One day we'll work out how to make one..........

G

I'm pretty sure this isn't possible because:
1. The signal received by the earpiece from the "small device" would
have to be stronger than the signal received from the phone
2. The "low flying aircraft" data frames would have to be aligned with
genuine data frames
3. Any encryption would have to be mimicked
4. The frequency hopping pattern would need to be known
5. The computer misuse act would need to change

The best you could hope for is to provide hostile interference which
could jam the signals between phone and headset. Problem with this is
that bluetooth uses frequency hopping because it is intended for use in
a congested frequency spectrum (the unlicensed band)

On the topic of mobile phone jammers... The UK government charges
mobile phone companies a lot of money to license the frequencies hence
I doubt they are going to legalise any form of unrestricted broadcast
over them

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:20:32 +0000, "N.I.B."
wrote:

wrote:
Evil, good but evil.

Now can you come up with a way to deal with screaming brats and larger
louts.


It's the smaller louts that I can't stand.

I must say, I'm impressed by the way that three different people made
substantively the same comment so close together

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

"steve" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:31:14 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:



"Jon" wrote in message
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declared for all the world to hear...
Suggestions?

Sit in the quiet carriage.

But there isn't room for *all* of us in there..! The
whole train should be phone-free. As should buses for
that matter.

I never understand this. Should conversations also be
banned. I assume the motive is they you get frustrated by
only being able to eavesdrop on on half of the
conversation - otherwise the 'campaign' would be about
load conversations not just phone conversations.

Have you never taken the time to note the difference in people's behaviour
when talking on the phone..? If you are sitting next to someone and
talking to them, you naturally keep your voice at the minimum level
required for them to hear you. On the phone, people tend to shout.

Ivor

I have the fortunate ability to stop people on their mobile phones quite
easily!
Might have something to do with the fact I am a 6' 10" rugby player who
works out in the gym 5 times a week !
They take 1 look at me and usually end their call pretty quickly.
Cant think why?
--

Aaron

Meeeee wrote:
Andrew Yarnwood wrote:

I have a proposal for dealing with (punishing) people who make loud
business phone calls on trains (or any other public transport). ("I'm
on the train ... buy! ... sell!")

Record the calls or make some note, especially if there's anything
that sounds confidential, and publish transcripts or summaries on the
web or a newsgroup.



A far worse menace these days are the idiots who play music on their
phones via the loud speaker. It's worse than the walkman/Ipod tinny
hissing noise as these people really do think everyone else wants to
hear their (normally 'urban') music.

I should really get together some MP3s of very loud classical music to
counteract it, either that or develop a portable antinoise generator


And it is NEVER anything good; it's always noisy and obnoxious and
completely and utterly senseless. This is why I avoid public transport
during school starting/finishing times or during the holidays. Doesn't
always work though unfortunately. Worse still is that crazy frog.
Working in the music section in a supermarket means I had that rammed
down my neck for weeks on the promotional video, followed by the bus
trip to/from work from some low intellects who would play it repeatedly
for a good half hour and still find it funny after the 50th time.

Jamie

Nozomi Warrior 2005 wrote:
I have the fortunate ability to stop people on their mobile phones quite
easily!
Might have something to do with the fact I am a 6' 10" rugby player who
works out in the gym 5 times a week !
They take 1 look at me and usually end their call pretty quickly.
Cant think why?
--

Aaron

sad pathetic individual with a massive chip on his shoulder !!