This was in the Metro taday and I think was in the Standard yesterday.
Just wondered what the Harrow-Rickmansworth stopping patterns refers
to. I know that all fast Met line trains have to cross over the slow
lines at Harrow on the Hill but I can't see what other bottleneck there
is.
It also describes Willesden as a bottleneck. What are they referring to
here?
Kevin

Kev wrote:
This was in the Metro taday and I think was in the Standard yesterday.
Just wondered what the Harrow-Rickmansworth stopping patterns refers
to. I know that all fast Met line trains have to cross over the slow
lines at Harrow on the Hill but I can't see what other bottleneck there
is.
It also describes Willesden as a bottleneck. What are they referring to
here?
Kevin

This was also in the Times yesterday. see:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...874489,00.html
&
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...874541,00.html

Transport for London (TfL) is drawing up a plan for the railways to cope
with a rapidly expanding population. A version of the plan, seen by The
Times, states: “Without effective intervention the situation will
deteriorate . . . resulting in severe overcrowding across most of
London’s rail corridors.”

Jim Chisholm

J. Chisholm wrote:
Kev wrote:
This was in the Metro taday and I think was in the Standard yesterday.
Just wondered what the Harrow-Rickmansworth stopping patterns refers
to. I know that all fast Met line trains have to cross over the slow
lines at Harrow on the Hill but I can't see what other bottleneck there
is.
It also describes Willesden as a bottleneck. What are they referring to
here?
Kevin

This was also in the Times yesterday. see:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...874489,00.html
&
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...874541,00.html

Transport for London (TfL) is drawing up a plan for the railways to cope
with a rapidly expanding population. A version of the plan, seen by The
Times, states: "Without effective intervention the situation will
deteriorate . . . resulting in severe overcrowding across most of
London's rail corridors."

Jim Chisholm

Rather worrying that they only just seemed to have grasped the
significance of this.

Kevin

On 17 Nov 2005 02:35:25 -0800, "Kev" wrote:

This was in the Metro taday and I think was in the Standard yesterday.
Just wondered what the Harrow-Rickmansworth stopping patterns refers
to. I know that all fast Met line trains have to cross over the slow
lines at Harrow on the Hill

....only in the eastbound direction...

but I can't see what other bottleneck there is.

There's been discussion in this group previously about the problems of
peak-hour fast Chiltern services (that run non-stop between Harrow and
Amersham) getting stuck behind Met trains, but I can't see what they'd
do about this between Harrow and Rickmansworth - remove the Moor Park
stop from Met trains on the fast lines, maybe?

It also describes Willesden as a bottleneck. What are they referring to
here?

At a guess, the fact that NLL and WLL trains have to use the same
platforms, meaning they often have to wait outside the station. This
can only get worse if frequency increases ever happen. Or perhaps it's
the fact that the short platforms restrict train lengths for the whole
of the NLL and WLL. A solution would be to remodel the entire High
Level station, with longer platforms and a west-facing bay for the
WLL.

asdf wrote:

At a guess, the fact that NLL and WLL trains have to use the same
platforms, meaning they often have to wait outside the station. This
can only get worse if frequency increases ever happen. Or perhaps it's
the fact that the short platforms restrict train lengths for the whole
of the NLL and WLL. A solution would be to remodel the entire High
Level station, with longer platforms and a west-facing bay for the
WLL.
I was wondering if it was something to do with the high level station.
It strikes me that Willesden is in need of the low level platforms to
be reinstated making a proper interchange.
That way platforms could be built on the low level for WLL and Southern
trains.
Who in their right mind gets off a Silverlink County train at Watford
or Harrow to trundle down to Willesden on a Metro to get the NLL or WLL
train.
It would also be an ideal place to change to the Bakerloo if you were
going to Paddington.
I think that would be much better money spent than the incredibley
expensive Croxley link.

Kevin

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asdf wrote:

At a guess, the fact that NLL and WLL trains have to use the same
platforms, meaning they often have to wait outside the station. This
can only get worse if frequency increases ever happen. Or perhaps it's
the fact that the short platforms restrict train lengths for the whole
of the NLL and WLL. A solution would be to remodel the entire High
Level station, with longer platforms and a west-facing bay for the
WLL.



I was wondering if it was something to do with the high level station.
It strikes me that Willesden is in need of the low level platforms to
be reinstated making a proper interchange.
That way platforms could be built on the low level for WLL and Southern

trains.
Who in their right mind gets off a Silverlink County train at Watford
or Harrow to trundle down to Willesden on a Metro to get the NLL or WLL

train.
It would also be an ideal place to change to the Bakerloo if you were
going to Paddington.
I think that would be much better money spent than the incredibley
expensive Croxley link.


The Croxley Link wouldn't be so incredibly expensive, if the costs
quoted weren't just another reason to not go ahead with it!
Real cost of the Croxley Link would only be a fraction of the cost of
an interchange at Willesden Junction.

Kev wrote:
This was in the Metro taday and I think was in the Standard yesterday.
Just wondered what the Harrow-Rickmansworth stopping patterns refers
to. I know that all fast Met line trains have to cross over the slow
lines at Harrow on the Hill but I can't see what other bottleneck there
is.
It also describes Willesden as a bottleneck. What are they referring to
here?
Kevin


The bottleneck at Elmers End stood out for me - I'm not entirely sure
where they got that one from!

Cheers

Steve M

(Admits to working for TfL, seeing as there seem to be a fair few LUL
staff on here!)

It must be pointed out, Herr Ken & TfL have no say or influence on
what Network Rail may or may not wish to do with lines in London!




On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:47:51 +0000, Steve M
wrote:

Kev wrote:
This was in the Metro taday and I think was in the Standard yesterday.
Just wondered what the Harrow-Rickmansworth stopping patterns refers
to. I know that all fast Met line trains have to cross over the slow
lines at Harrow on the Hill but I can't see what other bottleneck there
is.
It also describes Willesden as a bottleneck. What are they referring to
here?
Kevin


The bottleneck at Elmers End stood out for me - I'm not entirely sure
where they got that one from!

Cheers

Steve M

(Admits to working for TfL, seeing as there seem to be a fair few LUL
staff on here!)

"Christine" wrote in message
...
It must be pointed out, Herr Ken & TfL have no say or influence on
what Network Rail may or may not wish to do with lines in London!

The following Acts have provisions for him to do just that:

Greater London Authority Act 1999
The Railways and Transport Safety Act 2003

Well if that's the case then, he'd better come up with a money
collection scheme better than the C-Charge, because it would cost
Billions to do what he wants! And Network Rail/ HM Government don't
have the money!

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:03 -0000, "TKD" wrote:


"Christine" wrote in message
.. .
It must be pointed out, Herr Ken & TfL have no say or influence on
what Network Rail may or may not wish to do with lines in London!

The following Acts have provisions for him to do just that:

Greater London Authority Act 1999
The Railways and Transport Safety Act 2003