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![]() Richard J. wrote: T.S. Cordiner typed: I am trying to understand what the real issue is and, other than the flat fare which I accept is a big difference, how NYC manages to operate a subway safely without the gateline staff. And the real issue keeps getting explained to you! NYC manages to operate without gateline staff because, as in Paris, the exit gates don't require a ticket. On a related note, the RER in Paris DOES have ticketed exit gates, and I have been "locked in" unable to exit with no staff around to help. Amazingly, I did survive the ordeal though! :-) |
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Endymion Ponsonby-Withermoor III writes:
David of Broadway wrote: is only open rush hours, when an S/A is on duty. At other times I have to walk an extra block on the street to the full-time entrance, even though I have no use for the S/A. (In fact, several years ago I got into frequent arguments with the S/A there about the exact opening time of that entrance. The sign said 6:30, but after several arguments it came to light that the S/A's schedule said 6:35, and I needed to catch a train that arrived between those times.) Just as a matter of interest, why do you need to get a train at between 06:30 and 06:35 ? Couldn't you get one at say 06:37 and use the nearer entrance ? Can't say I've ever gone to a metro station with a specific five-minute window in mind: I just get the first appropriate train. Fair enough question (since it is kind of unusual). At that time of day the 1 still runs pretty close to schedule, and that train was the last one that would get me to Times Square in time for the 6:45 Q local, where I would prepare my lecture notes until it got to the last stop at Brighton Beach at about 7:30, where I would join the large crowd waiting to cram onto the unreliable B1 bus and would hopefully make it to my 8:00 class on time. If I missed that 1 train, I would end up on the first Q express of the day, which got me to Brighton Beach just a few minutes later, but (a) the train was more crowded, making it more difficult for me to be productive, and (b) the crowds waiting for the bus were much larger, decreasing the likelihood that I'd be able to fit onto the next few buses. Both my work schedule and the subway routes have changed since then (late 2003). Also, I've taken to driving between the subway and work on most days, since the buses are so unpredictable (although, to be fair, my car has been in the shop this week and the bus has been fine). Now I take the 1 to 59th Street - Columbus Circle for the B to either Sheepshead Bay or Brighton Beach. But the B runs on nominal 10-minute headways, and the tower that controls its merges and diverges along Central Park West is staffed by a bunch of monkeys who don't know how to read a schedule, so it's not uncommon for one train to leave Columbus Circle a few minutes early and for its follower to leave a few minutes late -- so I aim to catch a specific B train but assume that there's a good chance that I'll miss it. (A few weeks ago, when I already left home a bit later than usual, one B train ran at least five minutes early -- I know that because that's when I got there, and it never showed up. Then its follower was late and lost more time on the way into Brooklyn, arriving at its terminal a full 11 minutes late. I should have gotten to Brighton Beach at 8:46; instead, I got there at 9:07, which didn't leave me quite enough time to get to my 9:10 class.) And when a B train is taken out of service, leading to a 20-minute gap, there are rarely station announcements informing the passengers waiting for the B, even though there are alternate routes to all stations served by the B. (Then again, sometimes the people making the announcements are a bit confused. Here's one gem I heard on Tuesday at 34th Street: "Ladies and gentlemen, after an earlier incident, Brooklyn-bound B as in Bravo service is running. As an alternative for Brooklyn-bound B as in Bravo service, take a Brooklyn-bound D as in Delta train to Pacific Street - Atlantic Avenue and transfer to a Coney Island-bound Q as in Quincy train." First of all, why do we need an alternative if the train is running now? And second, considering that the Q stops in a different part of the very same 34th Street station complex, why not just walk upstairs and get it right away instead of riding the D into Brooklyn? It turns out that, while the B was running, the first B train wouldn't reenter service until the next stop, West 4th Street. The /correct/ advice would have been to take an F or V train to West 4th Street and transfer there to the B.) Wow. That's a long paragraph. Sorry. -- David of Broadway New York, NY |
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![]() James Farrar wrote: You appear to have got into trouble because you inserted your ticket before the person in front of you had passed through the gate. That's your fault. -- James Farrar . @gmail.com And at very crowded stations if people didn't do that it would take twice as long to clear the passengers making the overcrowding even worse, not to mention the abuse from the passengers behind complaining about the hold ups or people pushing in. That would be LUL's fault. Do you have any suggestions? Kevin |
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How can it be LULs fault that people push in the queue and take your ticket
because you allow them to do so.? Do you allow peopel to walk up to you in the street and take things from you? It happens quite regularly. The naughty people dont leave the barrier until you have put your ticket in, they take it, go sell it and buy drugs. Or alcohol. Dont put it in until the person in front has left. Or buy an Oyster. Problem solved. Mal wrote in message oups.com... James Farrar wrote: You appear to have got into trouble because you inserted your ticket before the person in front of you had passed through the gate. That's your fault. -- James Farrar . @gmail.com And at very crowded stations if people didn't do that it would take twice as long to clear the passengers making the overcrowding even worse, not to mention the abuse from the passengers behind complaining about the hold ups or people pushing in. That would be LUL's fault. Do you have any suggestions? Kevin |
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![]() Mal wrote: How can it be LULs fault that people push in the queue and take your ticket because you allow them to do so.? Do you allow peopel to walk up to you in the street and take things from you? It happens quite regularly. The naughty people dont leave the barrier until you have put your ticket in, they take it, go sell it and buy drugs. Or alcohol. Dont put it in until the person in front has left. Or buy an Oyster. Problem solved. Mal I think that you are confusing two separate issues. Do I allow people to take things off of me in the street, no I don't. I am required by LUL to put my ticket into the gate it is therefore out of my control. Note that there is nothing written on the gate to say they you should only insert the ticket after the previous person has removed theirs. If that is the case then LUL should say so. Alternatively if you should not insert your ticket until the previous ticket is removed then the mechanism should prevent you from doing so. Better luck next time. Kevin |
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![]() Mal wrote: When was last time? I don't remember the exact dates (although I presume my complaints were logged when, for example, I reported an unattended bag at East Putney but actually reported it at South Kensington - complete with lack of staff explanation) Due to the continuing problems on the Wimbledon line and the unpredictability of journey times I have been cycling most days for the past 5 months so I am unlikely to see this happen often enough to get a good picture of exactly how frequently it happens. Chris |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:25:07 +0000, Dave Newt
wrote: Richard J. wrote: T.S. Cordiner typed: I am trying to understand what the real issue is and, other than the flat fare which I accept is a big difference, how NYC manages to operate a subway safely without the gateline staff. And the real issue keeps getting explained to you! NYC manages to operate without gateline staff because, as in Paris, the exit gates don't require a ticket. On a related note, the RER in Paris DOES have ticketed exit gates, and I have been "locked in" unable to exit with no staff around to help. and parts of the Paris suburban network that are not on the RER are also gated, It is entirely possible to be trapped inside these gatelines. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:25:07 +0000, Dave Newt wrote: Richard J. wrote: T.S. Cordiner typed: I am trying to understand what the real issue is and, other than the flat fare which I accept is a big difference, how NYC manages to operate a subway safely without the gateline staff. And the real issue keeps getting explained to you! NYC manages to operate without gateline staff because, as in Paris, the exit gates don't require a ticket. On a related note, the RER in Paris DOES have ticketed exit gates, and I have been "locked in" unable to exit with no staff around to help. and parts of the Paris suburban network that are not on the RER are also gated, It is entirely possible to be trapped inside these gatelines. My point being that they seem to manage OK. |
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