In article ,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

But are any of the vehicles on the heritage routes RMLs (30') rather
than RMs (27'6")? I can't say I've seen any RMLs so far. There are
still a good few RMLs of the main batch that never left London in
service on the 159 but a number are RMs returned to London with new
registration marks.

No response on this, nor any evidence of my own eyes of RMLs on the 9
and 15.

So will Friday mark the end of Routemaster service by buses with their
original registration marks?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosensteil wrote:
So will Friday mark the end of Routemaster service by buses with their
original registration marks?

No, as not all RMs lost their original registrations. I work off
Piccadilly and haven't seen any RMs on he 9 bearing non-original marks
yet.
--
Roy

In article . com,
(Roy Stilling) wrote:

Colin Rosensteil wrote:
So will Friday mark the end of Routemaster service by buses with
their original registration marks?

No, as not all RMs lost their original registrations. I work off
Piccadilly and haven't seen any RMs on he 9 bearing non-original marks
yet.

You surprise me because I haven't yet seen any 9s or 15s _with_ their
original registration marks. Nor have I seen any RMLs on the heritage
routes.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article . com,
(Roy Stilling) wrote:

Colin Rosensteil wrote:
So will Friday mark the end of Routemaster service by buses with
their original registration marks?

No, as not all RMs lost their original registrations. I work off
Piccadilly and haven't seen any RMs on he 9 bearing non-original marks
yet.

You surprise me because I haven't yet seen any 9s or 15s _with_ their
original registration marks. Nor have I seen any RMLs on the heritage
routes.

There are no RMLs scheduled for the heritage routes as they all need to
be the conversions with the Dennis Dart engines (Dartmasters) in order
to meet the emission standards. However Stagecoach has run its RML 2760
on the 15 a few times - I have seen it. It will not be allowed to run as
a substitute vehicle from 1/1/2006 without permission from TfL. This is
because it would not meet the contracted emission standards that come
into force from that date for TfL contracted services.

I have seen several RMs with their original registration marks running
on both routes.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article . com,
(Roy Stilling) wrote:

Colin Rosensteil wrote:
So will Friday mark the end of Routemaster service by buses with
their original registration marks?

No, as not all RMs lost their original registrations. I work off
Piccadilly and haven't seen any RMs on he 9 bearing non-original marks
yet.

You surprise me because I haven't yet seen any 9s or 15s _with_ their
original registration marks. Nor have I seen any RMLs on the heritage
routes.

*All* 20 RMs allocated to the 9 and 15 retain their original
registrations.

First
1204/1218/1280/1562/1627/1640/1650/1735/1776/1913

A look at the fleetlist in the enthusiast section on:
http://www.firstlondontimetables.co.uk/
confirms that the First vehicles carry original numbers.

Stagecoach
324/652/871/1933/1971/1968/2050/2060/2071/2089

A quick search through the 2005 LOTS fleetbook shows that the
Stagecoach ones do as well.
--
Thomas Covenant
Please observe Reply-to address.

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article . com,
(Roy Stilling) wrote:

Colin Rosensteil wrote:
So will Friday mark the end of Routemaster service by buses with
their original registration marks?

No, as not all RMs lost their original registrations. I work off
Piccadilly and haven't seen any RMs on he 9 bearing non-original
marks yet.

You surprise me because I haven't yet seen any 9s or 15s _with_
their original registration marks. Nor have I seen any RMLs on the
heritage routes.

There are no RMLs scheduled for the heritage routes as they all need
to be the conversions with the Dennis Dart engines (Dartmasters) in
order to meet the emission standards. However Stagecoach has run its
RML 2760 on the 15 a few times - I have seen it. It will not be
allowed to run as a substitute vehicle from 1/1/2006 without
permission from TfL. This is because it would not meet the contracted
emission standards that come into force from that date for TfL
contracted services.

I have seen several RMs with their original registration marks running
on both routes.

Fair enough as I only see 9s and 15s at random when crossing Trafalgar
Square on the way to work mid-morning. By the time I pass in the
evenings they have retired for the night.

Shame no RMLs will continue on the heritage routes. They were the
mainstay of the RM fleet for many years when most if not all RMs were
banished from London.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Thomas Covenant) wrote:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article . com,
(Roy Stilling) wrote:

Colin Rosensteil wrote:
So will Friday mark the end of Routemaster service by buses with
their original registration marks?

No, as not all RMs lost their original registrations. I work off
Piccadilly and haven't seen any RMs on he 9 bearing non-original
marks yet.

You surprise me because I haven't yet seen any 9s or 15s _with_
their original registration marks. Nor have I seen any RMLs on the
heritage routes.

*All* 20 RMs allocated to the 9 and 15 retain their original
registrations.

First
1204/1218/1280/1562/1627/1640/1650/1735/1776/1913

A look at the fleetlist in the enthusiast section on:
http://www.firstlondontimetables.co.uk/
confirms that the First vehicles carry original numbers.

Stagecoach
324/652/871/1933/1971/1968/2050/2060/2071/2089

A quick search through the 2005 LOTS fleetbook shows that the
Stagecoach ones do as well.

How strange. I could have sworn the two I saw near Trafalgar Square
earlier this week both had non-original registrations.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
says...
In article ,
(Thomas Covenant) wrote:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article . com,
(Roy Stilling) wrote:

Colin Rosensteil wrote:
So will Friday mark the end of Routemaster service by buses with
their original registration marks?

No, as not all RMs lost their original registrations. I work off
Piccadilly and haven't seen any RMs on he 9 bearing non-original
marks yet.

You surprise me because I haven't yet seen any 9s or 15s _with_
their original registration marks. Nor have I seen any RMLs on the
heritage routes.

*All* 20 RMs allocated to the 9 and 15 retain their original
registrations.

First
1204/1218/1280/1562/1627/1640/1650/1735/1776/1913

A look at the fleetlist in the enthusiast section on:
http://www.firstlondontimetables.co.uk/
confirms that the First vehicles carry original numbers.

Stagecoach
324/652/871/1933/1971/1968/2050/2060/2071/2089

A quick search through the 2005 LOTS fleetbook shows that the
Stagecoach ones do as well.

How strange. I could have sworn the two I saw near Trafalgar Square
earlier this week both had non-original registrations.


Guess you saw two 159's

Jim Brittin wrote:
In article ,
says...

How strange. I could have sworn the two I saw near Trafalgar Square
earlier this week both had non-original registrations.

Guess you saw two 159's

I wonder if First have been substituting other buses while they're
getting the allocated buses restored to the original livery. I saw
(IIRC) RM1562 on the 9 earlier today and it was still in unrelieved
Sovereign red with yellow flettnumbers. No fleetname of any kind, just
Firstgroup legal ownership.
--
Roy

In article .com,
(Roy Stilling) wrote:

Jim Brittin wrote:
In article ,
says...

How strange. I could have sworn the two I saw near Trafalgar
Square earlier this week both had non-original registrations.

Guess you saw two 159's

No, definitely not. I can count.

I wonder if First have been substituting other buses while they're
getting the allocated buses restored to the original livery. I saw
(IIRC) RM1562 on the 9 earlier today and it was still in unrelieved
Sovereign red with yellow flettnumbers. No fleetname of any kind,
just Firstgroup legal ownership.

I saw that one or another like it earlier this week. There was an RM in
Silver Jubilee livery on the 9 this morning. I have a picture to prove it.

--
Colin Rosenstiel