"contrex" wrote in message
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Every time there is a widely publicised trespasser death, a torrent of
the sort of comments appear which you can see above (or below,
depending on your preferred method of reading Usenet posts). About
50-50 "serves them right" and "you callous sod". So predictable.

Perhaps you would do us the honour of giving us your opinion. Or does the
fence your sitting on hurt your arse so much that you cant comment,


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JFG

Simon wrote:
Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in
harm's way whilst damaging your property?
Maybe having a 17-year old child yourself is the clearest way of
answering this question

I'm sure his parent's will be distraught, quite understandably, and will
tell the rest of the world that he was a good boy, equally understandably.

However, the fact remains that a 17 year old has sufficient knowledge to
know that if a human body puts itself in the path of a train travelling at
100mph there is only one outcome. Why have compassion for someone so
reckless with his own well being? Try answering the question, if only for
those who don't have 17 year old children.

Simon wrote:
Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in
harm's way whilst damaging your property?
Maybe having a 17-year old child yourself is the clearest way of
answering this question

Still does not change the facts.


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JFG

Rick Hughes wrote:
"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Read the post

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties always
goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."


So you don't agree,
Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously abuse
anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

To near the truth!!

but sorry, youre
obviously confusing me with someone who actually cares what you
think.

Glad to hear it, otherwise I would have been reluctant to say that I
think you still have some distance to go before reaching the level of
human being.


Does this mean up to your level?

Rick. (Occasional yoghurt-eater)



--
JFG

JFGrieve wrote:
Rick Hughes wrote:
"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Read the post

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties always
goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."


So you don't agree,
Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously abuse
anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

To near the truth!!

but sorry, youre
obviously confusing me with someone who actually cares what you
think.

Glad to hear it, otherwise I would have been reluctant to say that I
think you still have some distance to go before reaching the level of
human being.


Does this mean up to your level?

Rick. (Occasional yoghurt-eater)


Graffiti and other vandalisms are crimes and generally despicable.
They are not capital offences.

People trespassing on railway lines know that there are risks, but that
doesn't mean that they intend (or deserve) to die, any more than people
who cross roads.

People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for years (eg
the term "trainspotter", for which there is no equivalent for anyone
interested in any other industry).

So we have a tendency to think "hey, our trains are well 'ard; we've
managed to kill another one; that'll show 'em that we ought to be taken
seriously".

But I don't see why our pride in being interested in an industry which
involves dangerous machinery should make us quite so gleeful about
people getting killed by that machinery. I don't think it happens in
other industries.

"CJB" wrote in message
oups.com...
Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4551758.stm

A teenager was killed when he was hit by a high-speed train, police
said.

The 17-year-old was on the tracks at Hanwell Station in west London
when he was struck just after midnight by the 23.54 Heathrow to
Paddington Express.

Four other youths who were with him managed to get out of the way of
the train which travels up to 100mph. The victim's relatives have yet
to be told.

The incident closed the line for about two hours and some passengers
had to be bussed home - [according to the BBC web site. Actually it was
more likely 400 from Paddington alone, and it took FGW/FGWL two and
half hours to arrange one bus and one coach for those stranded to
Reading and Oxford].

A British Transport Police spokesman said the four youths [who
survived] will be questioned on Thursday but they are not treating the
death as suspicious. [Like they should have been on the tracks in the
middle of the night in the first place?]

"We think it is a tragic case of kids playing on the tracks," the
spokesman said. [Er - excuse me - 'playing' - what games do kids 'play'
on high speed railway tracks in the middle of the night?]

That area has also been hit recently with yet more heavy graffiti
including all over the newly decorated Hanwell Station.
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So it's one less hooded chav mugger to worry about why don't we openly
encourage more of this little ****s mates to do the same,maybe we could put
it in the national curriculum,Merry Christmas.

I don't see the need to share my opinion with a dim sod and insulting
troll who is unaware of the difference between "your" and "you're".

"MIG" wrote in message
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JFGrieve wrote:
Rick Hughes wrote:
"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Read the post

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties always
goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."


So you don't agree,
Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously abuse
anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

To near the truth!!

but sorry, youre
obviously confusing me with someone who actually cares what you
think.

Glad to hear it, otherwise I would have been reluctant to say that I
think you still have some distance to go before reaching the level of
human being.


Does this mean up to your level?

Rick. (Occasional yoghurt-eater)


Graffiti and other vandalisms are crimes and generally despicable.
They are not capital offences.

No one has been punished in that way for that crime, in fact very few have
been caught.


People trespassing on railway lines know that there are risks, but that
doesn't mean that they intend (or deserve) to die, any more than people
who cross roads.

But standing in front of a fast moving train is an effective means of
getting killed. Two paces to the side of the track would have meant staying
alive.


People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for years (eg
the term "trainspotter", for which there is no equivalent for anyone
interested in any other industry).

So we have a tendency to think "hey, our trains are well 'ard; we've
managed to kill another one; that'll show 'em that we ought to be taken
seriously".

What a perverse view, except for the point about takingt trains seriously.


But I don't see why our pride in being interested in an industry which
involves dangerous machinery should make us quite so gleeful about
people getting killed by that machinery. I don't think it happens in
other industries.

No one is "gleeful" that someone has got himself killed. If someone is
sufficiently stupid to stand in front of a fast moviing train, what should
anyone else have sympathy for him?

MIG wrote:
JFGrieve wrote:
Rick Hughes wrote:
"Andy" wrote in
:

Im glad there are enough of us here to be honest enough to say what
99% are actually thinking, in that this guy got exactly what he
deserved.

Translation: "I have no compassion at all within me, but it's OK
because neither have lots of others."

Read the post

Our thoughts should be with the train driver and the network
rail bods who have to pick bits of this guy up spread over a large
area.

Translation: "Naturally, some faux concern for innocent parties
always goes down well, so I'll stick a bit in at this point."


So you don't agree,
Im sure the 1% of you sandal wearing, pullover knitting,
yoghart eating lefties will be outraged at this

Translation: "I'd like to take this opportunity to gratuitously
abuse anyone who doesn't share my opinions."

To near the truth!!

but sorry, youre
obviously confusing me with someone who actually cares what you
think.

Glad to hear it, otherwise I would have been reluctant to say that I
think you still have some distance to go before reaching the level
of human being.


Does this mean up to your level?

Rick. (Occasional yoghurt-eater)


Graffiti and other vandalisms are crimes and generally despicable.
They are not capital offences.

Nobody ever said that they were, although the owner of a house whose side
wall has been 'tagged' three times in the last month might disagree.

People trespassing on railway lines know that there are risks, but
that doesn't mean that they intend (or deserve) to die, any more than
people who cross roads.

Quite true & nobody here said that they should be, buts lets be clear in
most cases they brought the problems on thereselves.

People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for years
(eg the term "trainspotter", for which there is no equivalent for
anyone interested in any other industry).

Well there is 'planespotters' but there has been no suggestion that these
people were enthusiasts.

So we have a tendency to think "hey, our trains are well 'ard; we've
managed to kill another one; that'll show 'em that we ought to be
taken seriously".

Who said that?

But I don't see why our pride in being interested in an industry which
involves dangerous machinery should make us quite so gleeful about
people getting killed by that machinery. I don't think it happens in
other industries.

Please show me a gleeful post in this thread.



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JFG

Brimstone wrote
No one is "gleeful" that someone has got himself killed.
JFG wrote
Please show me a gleeful post in this thread.


Are the above statements really grounded in fact? - look at the
excerpts below from this email thread, it is hard to escape the general
view that due justice has been served in a way that many find
satisfying at least. The comments do range from at best 'hard hearted'
to at worst 'celebratory'.

1. we should perhaps thanks the HEX for contributing to crime
prevention.

2.He was knowingly and willingly in the very wrong place at a very
wrong time.....and paid the price

3. HIS actions cost him HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a
bloody idiot. If ....... i have to say 'i feel so sorry for him and
maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 '..... then sorry, i
don't buy that.

4. this guy got exactly what he deserved.

5. Why have compassion for someone who deliberately puts himself in
harm's way

6. Why have compassion for someone so reckless with his own well being?


7. If someone is sufficiently stupid to stand in front of a fast
moviing train, what should anyone else have sympathy for him?

8. So it's one less hooded chav mugger to worry about