I suspect that a tube journey from Cockfosters to Heathrow Airport on
the Piccadilly Line would be very close to 2 hours long in normal
circumstances.

It's 1hr 25mins.

Chesham to Chigwell is 2 hrs 2 mins (with walking speed set to slow).

Heathrow to Southgate normally takes 1hr 40mn during the afternoon,
midweek. I think 1hr 25mn to Cockfosters must be the "official" time.
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Heathrow to Southgate normally takes 1hr 40mn during the afternoon,
midweek. I think 1hr 25mn to Cockfosters must be the "official" time.

WTT says 1 hour 23 mins. These days it's more often right than not.
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TKD wrote:
I suspect that a tube journey from Cockfosters to Heathrow Airport on
the Piccadilly Line would be very close to 2 hours long in normal
circumstances.

It's 1hr 25mins.

Chesham to Chigwell is 2 hrs 2 mins (with walking speed set to slow).

For these types of journeys, the waiting time is also important. At a
gated station, you touch in, then wait - at somewhere in the far-flung
reaches of the Tube like Amersham, you could potentially wait 20 minutes
for a train (similarly at Baker Street in the other direction).

I found this to be an issue with the allowed out-of-gate interchange
time - when changing from Bakerloo to Chiltern at Marylebone for a train
to Amersham, you might find that you had 30 minutes to wait for your
train, and could potentially fall foul of the system, as you would only
touch in again when your train is ready for boarding.

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Dave Arquati ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

Chesham to Chigwell is 2 hrs 2 mins (with walking speed set to slow).

For these types of journeys, the waiting time is also important. At a
gated station, you touch in, then wait - at somewhere in the far-flung
reaches of the Tube like Amersham, you could potentially wait 20 minutes
for a train (similarly at Baker Street in the other direction).

Chesham-to-Chigwell would include a wait to change from the Chesham Shuttle
at Chalfont & Latimer, too - apart from the small number of thru trains per
day, at peak times.

Adrian wrote:

Chesham to Chigwell is 2 hrs 2 mins (with walking speed set to slow).

For these types of journeys, the waiting time is also important. At a
gated station, you touch in, then wait - at somewhere in the far-flung
reaches of the Tube like Amersham, you could potentially wait 20 minutes
for a train (similarly at Baker Street in the other direction).

Chesham-to-Chigwell would include a wait to change from the Chesham
Shuttle
at Chalfont & Latimer, too - apart from the small number of thru trains
per
day, at peak times.

Indeed. Also it's often difficult to get an Aldate-Amersham through service
and so you'd be doing all the changing there as well. I presume the on the
move travel time incorporates a through service at Woodford?

Are the gates able to be flexible and match the distance between barriers
with the time between swiping in?

Tim Roll-Pickering ) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

Are the gates able to be flexible and match the distance between
barriers with the time between swiping in?

Who for? Somebody fit and mobile, or somebody elderly and slow who needs a
pee and wants to buy a Standard on his wander?

Adrian wrote:

Are the gates able to be flexible and match the distance between
barriers with the time between swiping in?

Who for? Somebody fit and mobile, or somebody elderly and slow who needs a
pee and wants to buy a Standard on his wander?

Good point but equally if someone does makea trip from Chigwell to Chesham
are they going to be charged excess for not touching out within two hours?

The other one that I find chaotic is the extension to travelcard service. A
lot of travelcard holders seem to think that if the gates are open for
whatever reason within their zone validity, or if they're entering the
system through national rail, then they don't need to touch in. Normally
this is true but when going out of zone it appears you need to touch in at
"journey start" and return as well as at the gates on your extension,
otherwise you get charged the full incomplete journey whack. I've known a
number of people get fines on this without realising it, not least because
their starting point was a national rail station with no fare gates or card
reader and the limited literature they've seen from TfL doesn't explicitly
tell them they have to find and use an onplatform reader at the interchange,
or because they've got back to a station where the gates are open.

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
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Adrian wrote:

Are the gates able to be flexible and match the distance between
barriers with the time between swiping in?

Who for? Somebody fit and mobile, or somebody elderly and slow who needs a
pee and wants to buy a Standard on his wander?

Good point but equally if someone does makea trip from Chigwell to Chesham are they going to be
charged excess for not touching out within two hours?

The other one that I find chaotic is the extension to travelcard service. A lot of travelcard
holders seem to think that if the gates are open for whatever reason within their zone validity,
or if they're entering the system through national rail, then they don't need to touch in.
Normally this is true but when going out of zone it appears you need to touch in at "journey
start" and return as well as at the gates on your extension, otherwise you get charged the full
incomplete journey whack. I've known a number of people get fines on this without realising it,
not least because their starting point was a national rail station with no fare gates or card
reader and the limited literature they've seen from TfL doesn't explicitly tell them they have to
find and use an onplatform reader at the interchange, or because they've got back to a station
where the gates are open.

This is because season ticket holders using prepay as extensions do not see
themselves as "prepay users". The signage tends to say "prepay users must
touch here" but you have to realise you are a prepay user despite having a
season ticket if you are going beyond the zones on your travelcard.

TKD wrote:

This is because season ticket holders using prepay as extensions do not
see
themselves as "prepay users". The signage tends to say "prepay users must
touch here" but you have to realise you are a prepay user despite having a
season ticket if you are going beyond the zones on your travelcard.

And of course yet another point where the whole "no need to plan in
advance/change your destination as you travel" falls apart!