Marc Brett ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

Sorry, but I don't particularly want a stranger operating a machine
which can image the nipples and genitals of my 14 year old son or
daughter.

These people should be on the sex offenders register, not hailed as
the guardians of our safety.

rolls eyes

In uk.railway Steve twisted the electrons to say:
But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?

One assumes you always use postcards rather than letters when you send
correspondence? Or do you use letters inside envelopes, thus clearly
indicating that you have something to hide?
--
These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...

If they had done nothing , you would complain , know they have done
something you complain , how typical.

I guesss you'll be the poor fellow the police will be dragging away and
scaring members of the public , due to your unwillness to cooperate and
help make the station a safer place , Ross the Rebel.

Your a real Man., in fact your the sort of man that complains about his
tax bills , but would be willing to waster tax payers money by not just
doing your bit .Tut Tut.
Ross's point was well made. What is happening at Paddington is just
posturing and will do nothing for security. It clearly is not universally
applicable. The whole thing is a waste of time and money and would be better
spent elsewhere.

Peter Fox

Roger wrote:
wrote in message
.. .

"Steve" wrote in message
...

But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?

If you think that gimmicks and a waste of money like that is going to make
you safer, then you need to be fleeced of even more money, to pay the
clever
people fleecing you.


These scanners are a complete waste of time and money!
What are they trying to achieve?
Prevent bombers getting to the airport? Ah ... No - lots of other ways of
getting there.

Prevent bombers getting on planes Ah ... No - see above plus airport
security measures.

Prevent a train from being blown up? Ah .... No - see assorted movies
displaying the talents of the French resistance in WW2 blowing up &
derailing trains; or read a good book on the subject. Doing it this way also
allows the bomber to live and perform the task again.

Show the population we take terrorism seriously and will try everything the
press think of to prove it? Ah .... Yes! Governments of all persuasions are
good at this sort of thing! It diverts attention from the real business of
anti-terrorism which is intelligence gathering and analysis; acting on the
results, possibly in ways the Government of the day wouldn't want us to know
about.

Roger C
PS Identity cards won't help in the war against terrorism either. Your good
terrorist will either forge a good one or ignore them. The really clever
terrorists at the top of the tree will be the first to get an ID card of
course. They will behave impeccably on the surface whilst co-ordinating the
efforts of the cannon fodder below them.



Oh, for Heaven's Sake - does *anyone* really think ID cards are anything
to do with anti-terrorism? The real motives are much more basic - better
state control and monitoring of the *legitimate* population.

As you say, anti-terrorism physical defences don't stop terrorism. But,
boy, they do deflect it to different targets. ISTR, when military bases
increased security, the bombs were planted in the married quarters area
outside the fence.

So, we have Parliament ringed with concrete blocks and Tony telling us
to continue life as normal - as he travels in an armoured limo with
police escort whilst his family live in the Downing Street Fortress. No
one really thought that all those measures were actually to reduce the
chances of the rest of us being targets? Quite the opposite - without
those measures the bombers might have had a go at Tony and Cronies
instead of the unprotected tubes and buses.. If mad-ducks disease breaks
out - no one thinks that movement restrictions will be ruthlessly
applied to Tony & Co, do they? Or that they won't be first inline for
whatever jabs there are?


Go to any tinpot little dicatorship and the pattern is the same. You
can't even wave a pointed stick within a mile of the Presidential Palace
- but blow up who you fancy in the market place.

How did it come to this? ISTR at the height of one particular high
terrorist alert, a certain PM made a point of walking to work.. It seems
an eternity ago, now.

--
Sue

In message , Steve
writes
But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?



Isn't this the argument behind every police state?

--
Mike_B

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:30:56 +0000, Adrian wrote:

Marc Brett ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

Sorry, but I don't particularly want a stranger operating a machine
which can image the nipples and genitals of my 14 year old son or
daughter.

These people should be on the sex offenders register, not hailed as the
guardians of our safety.

rolls eyes

Oh dear.

I agree with Marc, I do NOT want some low paid bloke looking at my, my
wife's or my children's skin outline. If these people are anything like
your average low paid civil servant (who I have worked with) or a security
guard watching CCTV monitors, I *know* full well they will be laughing
their arses off like monkeys at anything remotely amusing. Possibly
keeping a few images for the Christmas party too.

It is quite possible that there will be a few perverts getting oddly
inspired jollies from it too.

Look at this:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...pi_scan_lg.jpg

and

http://www.qinetiq.com/home/newsroom..._MMW_knife.jpg

Your wife got nice tits? Now you can share them with the guards.
Got a beer gut or a big arse? Then cheer up some people you don't know
with a cheap laugh. Your daughter hot? Well...

Sorry for the crudity but it is a salient point!

And Ross is correct IMO, this is money wasted. The terrorists will just
blow up something else somewhere else. More coppers on the ground would be
a far better use of resources, because when they're not looking out for
nutters, they'll be nicking chavs who damage trains, or busting
pickpockets.

How did we get through decades or IRA bombing without this nonsense? We
should all be dead by now.

Tim

In uk.legal D.S.B. wrote:

I notice at Birmingham New Street that a small
army of people are now employed to check tickets at the exits/entrances
although they only glance at them without any detailed investigation.

Also applies at most 'Virgin Trains' stations- like Euston, where they just
clip anything you put in front of them, particularly if there's a rush.

Euston? I have seen ticket checks for local journeys. But not
for entering/exiting the Birmingham/Wolverhampton train.

At KIng's Cross it was a different matter... but then I was
commuting to Edinburgh usually that station it would have proved
platform ticket checks impossible. Bizarre, I remember a journey
to Germany which I took... no problem with having a drink at Waverly
at 7am... rather different in Newcastle at 10 am.

Axel

In uk.railway Mike_B twisted the electrons to say:
In message , Steve
writes
But, why would you want to object if you have nothing to hide?
Isn't this the argument behind every police state?

Pretty much ...
--
People should not be afraid of their governments,
Governments should be afraid of their people ...

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:10:38 +0000 someone who may be Ross
wrote this:-

The principle being that I want to see real security improvements on
the railway I work on, rather than highly visible "playing at
security" games.

You're sounding like me again:-)


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:14:30 +0000 someone who may be Tim S
wrote this:-

I agree with Marc, I do NOT want some low paid bloke looking at my, my
wife's or my children's skin outline. If these people are anything like
your average low paid civil servant (who I have worked with) or a security
guard watching CCTV monitors, I *know* full well they will be laughing
their arses off like monkeys at anything remotely amusing. Possibly
keeping a few images for the Christmas party too.

Indeed. Some CCTV bods have just been prosecuted for using their
cameras to spy on a woman.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54